Received my new Condor
Howdy all: I received my .25 cal. Condor last night. Nicely built. The gun is a lot smaller then I expected. The only issue I have is, I did not specify spin loc or not. I wound up without. The other thing I did not like is the fact that I am going to have to use extremely tall rings or adjustable ones. I guess the other option is the adaptor that TT sells, that way I could induce a bit of drop, get a pressure gauge and add a bit of pull. I was hoping to have a ready to go gun without having to do mods right off. Oh well. You live and learn. Any advise anybody has for this gun (mods), since I am spending loads of cash, would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Tom
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Thank you for suggestions Casey & Bogman.
I was attempting to install Air Venturi thumb hole stock, but no matter which positions of butt plate/stock/clamp on tank I tried, a gap would appear. To make it seat flush, I ground the snub on stock, cut out a piece of aluminum, made holes, threaded them, made a new butt plate (with a little C shape). I also didn’t like clamp sitting above the tank. Final fitting on tank was perfect !!! (look at pictures).
But… when I installed the bundle onto rifle, the stock got pulled away from tank near trigger grip. Time spent in vain. Very disappointing. Air Venturi could have measured more accurately.
Casey makes some good points. I had a Condor .22, 24 in. barrel and it was loud until I put a TT shroud on it. Sonic crack is easy to diminish if the pellet is going under 1,125 ft/second. If your pellet is going that fast, accuracy is terrible. Some of the Monster, “dildo” shaped extra heavy pellets like blazing speeds (see wingman’s posts), but most pellets want upper 800-930 fps. The air escaping the muzzle is responsible for the major booming, even at those lower speeds.
To drop the speed, increase accuracy and shot count, a etac adapter and regulator would be a great help. Otherwise, you need to play with the gun and record data using a chrony. Lowering the top hat, using one of Tony’s top hat flow restrictors and monitoring optimal tank fill pressures are all options. O-rings, under the tophat work best to flatten out performance curves. At higher tank pressures, they don’t come into play much as the tank pressure resists opening the valve. As tank pressure drops a little, the valve opens wider (tophat moves closer to proximal surface of tank), releasing more air, speed increases for a bit. This is where the o-ring keeps the valve from opening wider/too far, for longer. Dyotat suggests Delrin spacers, instead of o rings; you get less bounce and they’re more durable.
Years ago, I messed with a stock Condor and found the .22 too powerful to easily tone down; it was overpowered and no amount of power wheel lowering, o-rings under the tophat, etc. gave me the performance I was after. That was before the TT tophat restrictors/inserts, which many have praised. By using air efficiently, you’ll have less air blast than if you over power pellets and the suddenly release an excessive amount of air.
If you make a shroud, make it .25 compatible, in case you want to swap barrels.
There are a couple of ways you can reduce the velocity,first check the power wheel (spring pre-load adjuster) if above 0 turn it down to start with, next trick many have had success with is placing a small o-ring behind the top hat, and the top option would be a Talon Tunes once piece top hat with the screw in restricters. They allow you to control the size of the output hole in the top hat. Another option would be lower fill pressure, but you really need a Chrony to tune the rifle. This will confirm if your shooting supersonic (bad for pellets) and help you get the rifle where it shoots best. I see you have the 22 so in addition to the JSB 18.1, try some of the 21 grain Kodiak’s or H&N’s. I have a Talon SS with a Condor bottle and valve, and with the Talon Tunes shroud, it’s as loud as a 22 RF rifle. But any PCP that is not shrouded or does not have an LDC will be very loud. Remember you are releasing small bursts of very high pressure air, and it’s loud. Just try firing the rifle without a pellet, to me they sound even louder. But that’s my opinion. Hopefully these tips might help you out, and if I am wrong guys, feel free to speak up, and correct me.
Casey
Same here !!!! All excited !!! finally disappointed 🙁
I received mine 2 weeks ago, have shot only 3 pellets. I filled air to 3000psi, went to backyard for opening shot and then booom-crack. Good lord ! I knew condor(0.22) is very loud & not backyard friendly, but actual experience is beyond surprise. As loud as 9mm pistol.
I reduced pressure by shooting empty in basement, now its down to 1500psi, power level 0 still a loud crack!! I guess sonic boom of pellet. I am shotting Beeman Kodial 21.12gr pellet.
None of the shrouds and the cost was convincing. I am making my own using carbon fiber & delrin – will post how it goes. Goal: superlight + air stripper based. Not a billet of milled aluminum in a tube.
Anyways, experts please help: how to reduce the velocity ? (hence the sonic crack)
Thanks in advance
Send it back if you don’t like it. Easy fix.
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Tony can set you up.
Take a look at the “New Wokbutt” so you do not have to high rings.
Good luck with your new Condor.
TalonTunes sells all models of AF guns and can add any modification and tuning before it leaves the shop.
Tony
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Finally I made my own buttplate & connecting link. Also notice that I didn’t use the thumb screw at the bottom of grip, it projects out too much.