Roach VS. Sam fight thread

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Lots of wasted energy here guys… and it doesn’t do any of us any good to waste time and energy with disparaging (racist) comments.

Most of the foundation that America was built upon was erected by “Chinese” people and other ethnicities. We all poke fun at how all this “crap” comes out of China…, and to buy “American”, but lets face the facts, America has “dropped the ball” through decades of laziness and indifference. Although I am still proud to be an American…it is counterintuitive to believe that America will rise to it’s former stature. We will simply have to take our place in the “World wide” stage and do our best to “keep up with the Joneses”.

Condor,

Wow, I am surprised that even you would stoop so low as to say such racist garbage. I can’t imagine that you would do such things.

If we could get away from name calling for a minute, I would like to explain my comments about Bob Vogel and other things related to this post.

We have two men who cast bullets and sell them to airgunners. Jerry and Bob. They take two different paths towards the goal of making money with their bullets to support their families. I am not saying either one is wrong, but if I am going to spend my money, I have to make the descision which is credible to me as a consumer.

I know neither of these men, I have not bought their products as of this date, but if I do, I will base my purchase on what I think works and how it is presented to me as a consumer.

First Jerry. He makes bullets that for all the world look like wadcutters to me. And while as a policeeman, I shot thousands upon thousands of them, they were free at the time, I never really liked them, but in a 25 Condor, they take the FPE off the scale. If they do not shoot quite as good as another design lead projectile, they make up for it when they hit the target.

Jerry tried to do this same thing with the 22’s, he spent capital for molds and labor, and still he did not offer them to the public, he sold them to a select few marksmen and Condor fans to try, they reported back that they found accuracy issues, and he never offered them again.

Those are facts I can relate to, that is a man I can trust he tried and he took a hit.

Bob Vogel seems by his video’s and the post he wrote in the Yellow about my comments to be a friendly senisitive man. But I would rather see groups, groups like the NRA does in the Dope Bag section of the magazine, 5, 5shot groups, not Bob talking to a paper cutout of Tom Selleck, although I loved that movie, and as a BP shooter realize those shots were for the most part Hollywood, I still have immence respect for Selleck, I just would rather see groups with those bullets rather than someone talking to a paper doll on a couch, sorry if this hurts your feeling Bob, but you have heard or read about this,”lets see some groups” thing before.

I would rather see groups on paper rather than a plastic jug hit at close range. Seeing the deer heart shot with the Vogel bullet did so much more to get me on his bandwagon than what I see on the video’s.

I know you send your bullets out to people to shoot, but the Condor fans evidently had not tried them in LW barrels.

I am a consumer and I spend my money as wisely as I can.

Therefore, I am not willing to buy a GM barrel on an experiement to see if a particular bullet, not designed to be propelled by air will work. I have spent more than my share of the family treasure on such wild goose chases in the past. I will stick with the Condor and the LW barrel, if I want more power I will go to a 25 LW barrel and if I need more power, I will send an email to Jerry.

But that is just me, and I have the right to do so and the right to post this if I want, and should be able to without your racist bullshit posts Condor 22.

Now about what your chasing in performance. Your after the ballistices of a 25 auto pistol pure and simple.

How many of you readers would go pig hunting with a 25 auto pistol? None of you would I would think. Yet you want to spend money to get your Condor to reproduce those ballistics? Again it is a free country and your welcome to do that, but that is just not for me. If shooting wadcutters or 45 grain lead HP out of a 25 auto pistol worked so damn good the major ammo makers would be selling the stuff for self defence. And again your going after man sized critters that bite back with this combo.

There is a pig hunter on the yellow who I admire greatly, he does it with both a 22 and a 25 and guess what he uses, a pellet rifle with pellets, go figure.

One of the reason it seems to me we can’t shoot those lead or jackected bullets faster is that even the lowly 45 auto does 800 fps with a 230 at 18000PSI and we are using 3000PSI. Tagdagger says if I go higher pressure with the condor breech as designed I will get blow by air in the face, again as I said before, I am here to learn about airguns,

Paper patching :The BP folks did this 150 years ago, it is not new technology, I chased it for years myself, Ross Seigfried did it and wrote excellent articles on doing it to jackected bullets so he could shoot common bullets in unobtainable bore sizes.

First you have to have the correct paper, second it has to be a precise size to not overlap on the second wrap, third it should have a flat or cupped base so you can twist the pigtail and put it somewhere that it will not effect the projectiles flights. and third yu have to dry it at the correct rate so as not to make the twist on the pigtail brittle.

Your not going to go home tonight and roll a few and shoot them for accuracy and tell anything worthwhile.

Now readers, isn’t it better to read and learn, rather than have someone make insenitive racial slurs about your wife?

Readers, my wife, who Condor chooses to slur, is a Filipino, who comes from a very conservative Catholic family in the Philippines, her father retired from the Social Securtiy division of the goverment, one brother is the equivilant of our FBI agents he hunts down the worst criminals in that society, another brother teaches Ball Room dancing, her sister a former nun, edits ever single piece of litterature before it goes public for the church in the islands and teaches english at the university in Manila, they are a fine middle class family and I am proud of them. She wanted nothing more than to come to this country and be my wife, to take care of me and to pursue the american dream.

Now 07Condor 22 as your known to here and Sam in the Yellow, I will post your racist insenitive slurs about my wife on the yellow when I learn how do do so, just like you did about my comments about Bob Vogel.

If someone will transfer this post and the above Condor post with these slurs to the Yellow I will very much apppreciate it.

Roachcreek