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Sharps Borschardt 45 2.6 1000 yard match rifle

Around 1990 a friend of mine, Charlie Fischer, who hunted elk at my house up on King Mountain told me he had a rifle I might be interested in. I had aquired a lot of nice old guns from Charlie, a 1895 303 Winchester and a 1887 Winchester lever action shotgun, to name a few.

So I told Charlie I would be interested and what he produced was an almost pristine 1878 Sharps Borschardt Military rifle in 45 2.1 or 45/70.

I say almost pristine, like alot of old guns this one had been altered at one time, and what they did was drill holes for scope mounts some where along its then 112 year history, and one of the holes was drilled right in the middle of the “Old Reliable” trademark, ruining whatever collectors value the rifle might ever have.

But it was a fun shooter, I shot it for severl months and with the elevator barrel sights even hit a pepper popper at 1000 yards off hand with three witnesses, albiet small witnesses, my three little kids. Being the whore I am I told them to remember that event and they do in fact still remember it.

I decided I wanted to alter the now non collector rifle to a sporting rifle. I had Charlies parents who were internationaly known stockmakers and had made several custiom Mausers for me, to do the wood out of nice but non spectacular walnut, the reciever engraved by George Wilson, an aging engraver of some fame, and a Douglas barrel put on it by a machinest friend who also recontoured the reciever to sporting rilfe specs without the trademark side cut outs, then have the entire rifles metal work fininshed by the then and now famous firearms restorer Doug Turnbull.

Basically I was shipping it out in steps to the masters of the day.

I returned a beautiful engraved handy rifle with a 28 inch barrel in 45/70 in 1993. I used it for some time, hunting and killing deer and elk with it with Black powder cartridges.

Then I got interested in 1000 yard gong shooting and by 2000 had won the SASS Oregons state long range title at Horse Ridge outside of Bend, with a 1874 Sharps #1 sporting rifle in 4570. But I found the short 2.1 was lacking in volume for the amount of Black Powder I wished to burn, so I had JGS reamers in Coos Bay Oregon make me a 45/100 or 45 2.6 reamer.

I had the Douglas barrel drilled for a scope mount and cut to 16 inches for hunting elk in the thick brush mounted with a Leupold 1×5 scope and I had a 2nd barrel, a 30 inch Kreiger 45/100 barrel fitted for long range competetion.

With the long barrel and the Hocke tapered 550 grain bullet and 83 grains of Swiss #2 the rifle will put 10 shots into 3 inches at 200 yards,, standing off sticks, but the first three will usually print a cloverleaf until the fouling takes over.

The scope is a handmade Montana Vintage Arms 6 power mildot 23 inch period reproduction. The belt and holster are my creations and I wore them daily riding with the revolver of the day.

I shot it for several years, and when my adopted son, David, one of those three little guys who witnessed that 1000 yard shot, went off to fight in Iraq with the USMC, while he was gone, I promised myself if he returned from that hell hole alive, I would give him the Borschardt as a token of my love and respect for him. He came back and he now owns the rifle.

Here it is.



Regards,

Roachcreek

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Hmmm.. not sure guessing would be poilite… 😆

ummmmmm…..DAQ………….?!:roll:
Am i right?….lol

quote Jerry:

Who is this Jack Sullivan guy anyway?

His last paragraph:

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Indeed, we can get quite good accuracy, especially in small to medium bore airguns, but we will never get high velocity killing energy in any airgun, so we must learn to depend on “big bore/heavy projectile” killing energy, rather than on high velocity killing energy, in big game hunting applications. Our big bore heavy projectile air rifles will never give us the kind of super accuracy we dream about, but here too, we must change our thinking. With properly designed projectiles, two diameter seizer die sized to match given barrel, our big bore airguns give accuracy quite adequate for our intended hunting use, if the shooter does his/her part in shooting them at reasonable ranges. What more can one want?

I wonder what kind of accuracy he dreams about?

I’ll give you one guess as to what make of bigbore airgun he was shooting that lead him to dream of accuracy…….

Speaking of which… need to go!

Naw Jerry that was on the 26 year old you picked up in the bar.

RC

Darn, I thought I photoshopped all the tread marks out! 😆 😆 😆

The fact that it has a radial track over its gut cavity does not help Jerry.

But still along hike carrying it. 😆

Regards,

Roachcreek

Well, you can get jumped for anything on this forum! The blowing up videos are fun, and I’ve made a bunch, but for knowing if the slug is good…you need groups.

Sometimes, I see posts from guys (that I don’t particularly have a great deal of faith in) about how any group can be posted with a BS range put on.


I suppose they figure I carried that GH up the hill to get it 200 yards from the shooting trailer…


The Woodsman with the .32 insert does not depend on BS groups or luck to be repeatably accurate.

That is truely exceptional accuracy Jerry.

Whe I first started watching Vogels video’s, I told him I was more interested in groups than blowing up water jugs.

I got jumped on about that on this forum.

RC

Who is this Jack Sullivan guy anyway?

His last paragraph:

quote :

Indeed, we can get quite good accuracy, especially in small to medium bore airguns, but we will never get high velocity killing energy in any airgun, so we must learn to depend on “big bore/heavy projectile” killing energy, rather than on high velocity killing energy, in big game hunting applications. Our big bore heavy projectile air rifles will never give us the kind of super accuracy we dream about, but here too, we must change our thinking. With properly designed projectiles, two diameter seizer die sized to match given barrel, our big bore airguns give accuracy quite adequate for our intended hunting use, if the shooter does his/her part in shooting them at reasonable ranges. What more can one want?

I wonder what kind of accuracy he dreams about?


That was sighting in the Yukon .62 after the EoTech had been off the gun.


That’s an old Map gas bottle shot twice with the Yukon at 100 yards. Obviously, after the first shot I had to walk a hundred yards, set it back up and then walk back a hundred yards and take another shot.


That’s a wood “fox.” The big holes are from the Yukon .62 and the small ones from the Woodsman with .32 insert. The 3 shots on the left are a group fired from 150 yards. The two holes in the middle are consecutive shots from the Yukon from 200 yards.


The same two shots. I should have taken a third shot but I had no idea I had a group going. From 200 yards with zero magnification and poor lighting / contrast, all I knew was that I heard the hits.

Maybe Jack has bigger dreams for big bores but I consistently see better accuracy from big bore air rifles, both in person and posted by folks I trust, than most PBs ever post in magazine reviews. Maybe he got a lemon?

No wonder Eric deleted my posts.

As you know Butcher this was disproven in the 30’s , and Ross Siegfired reafirmed it in the 90’s.

Regards,

Roachcreek

Check out the part where he recommends roundnose, and pointy slugs for hunting use. Gotta wonder where they get this stuff.

http://www.bigboreairguns.com/qog/qog1/article2.html

The thing I find amusing about the Adventures forum et al., is the I have bought a ticket at a high fence hog hunt and now can put up my web site.

Eric told me, so you have shot all that game and lived the life to do that and experimented with all these calibers and cast bullets, so what?

Think about that concept Butcher.

Think about the work you put into getting that fleeting shot at that Bobcat last year on your last day of hunting, the months of scouting, the shooting, the preparation each day, arranging your life so you could scout and hunt not to mention the actual hunting.

Then compare that to a guy who goes to two hound legal states bordering each other, buys two tickets for hound/bobcat hunts and shoots two instead of one like you did.

Then gets a web site and tells you he is twice the bobcat hunter you are.

I see the same thing in Echoclap, Chip at Crosman, Vogel and the rest of these corn in a can hunters.

Then tries to direct the adventures of others and sell them equipment and bullets that are inferior.

As far as Vogels high priced bullets are concerned. I don’t buy bullets, I make them. I did buy some of Vogels bullets, they had rounded edges, they had wrinkles and they had void/cracks inside of the Hollow points.

Jerry sent me some bullets to test in my Ranger. He said they were 2nds, but, they had full edges, they did not have wrinkles and to me they looked perfect, and I am a whore about such things. And they flew just fine.

I will shoot wrinkled bullets, if I made them and I am short on bullets, but I would rather have better ones if I am buying them.

Oh well, I guess I am just too crude rude and socially unacceptable for that forum.

Regards,

Roachcreek

Sounds like a radio station more than a bullet.

I thought I took it easy on Vogel, you should have seen some of the stuff I wrote and then erased,

The guy makes poor quality bullets in poor designs and charges prices that the market can’t bear and makes a least a poor living because suckers will try believe the bullshit at least once.

One thing about Bob tho, you can take his video’s and use them for a public service annoucement on the dangers of casting without adequate ventelation.

Big Bore Ercia and his ‘Porktrian coming thru the woods /bullshit is simply insecure. I suspect the hog and a halter on in the seconds prior to its demise.

Regards,

Roachcreek

quote roachcreek:

There is a post on the Adventures forum by Vogel, Mr Hollow point and the spitzer bullets he is casting.

Jack Haley repsonded that they would be devestating in 58 caliber.

Par for the course……..the blind lead the blind over there.

Did you check out that sweet “WFNWC”? LOL!

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