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Shoebox etc

For anyone on the list and waiting – I put my name on the list last November, got an email Feb 26th saying it was ready, paid that day and received it Mar 3rd. Serial number is early 300’s.

I have a large shop compressor, but it’s oil lubricated so I had been looking for a small oil less compressor for a few week’s. I was going to buy a craftsman or Husky that was rated at 2 or so CFM but saw a Campbell Hausfeld for $39.99 on sale at Target.

The spec’s are pretty low – 110PSI, 3 Gallon tank and only rated at .39 SCFM @ 90 PSI so I was a little concerned that when it kicked in it couldn’t refill its own tank from 85 to 100psi and provide air to the shoebox at the same time. It seems to do ok, runs every 10 minutes. Wouldnt recommend it because it’s loud and run’s more than a larger compressor would, but it works and was $40… I was going to keep it for filling tires or something even if it couldnt keep up with the shoebox.

Back to the Shoebox –

Very happy with the construction, I paid the extra $10 for insurance and for it to be double boxed and that was worth it.

I had seen someone comment that the front cover is steel – it is definitly aluminum.

Everything inside is nice, Did the mechanical check before I started it – just had to adjust the chain tension as it was a little tight. Likely from the motor shifting during shipping.

I ran it for the first time without the cover, just so I could spot any problems – I will be running it with the cover on from now on as thats the only way the motor can suck in air and cool the cylinder’s. Using a desiccant water trap from Harbor Freight (Lowes sell the same thing, but not replacement desiccant).

Starting pressure in the gun was 500PSI. Hooked up my fill probe/guage (from Joe Brancato) and started it up. Can see the needle move ever so slowly, got up to 1500PSI and I noticed after a short while that the needle wasnt moving. I assumed it was a shoebox issue, but when I turned it off I could hear air leaking from the 410’s Guage. I fixed that and reconnected. Compressor as mentioned before kicked in every 10 minutes and ran for 2 minutes.

Total time to fill the gun was 37 minute’s – I did not stop the clock at all, that includes wasted time before I realized the gun was leaking and the time it took me to fix the leak (remove stock, tighten Allen screw that attaches gauge, re-attach stock).

Ambient temperature in my basement was 50F, after filling to 3000psi and without the cover on the fitting at the end of the 3rd stage cylinder was 105F and everything else (both cylinder’s and second stage fitting) were around 70F.

Right now it’s at the bottom of my basement stair’s, cannot hear it in my living room which is just upstairs and around corner. Compressor on the other hand is noisy as hell.

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check the cylinders again when it has been running 2 or more hours. i have feeling you will find it gets hotter than either reading you posted- i know mine gets hotter over time( although with the fan sitting in front of it in the summer, it still doesn’t reach the 150 degrees that Tom mentioned in the owner’s manual).

Filled the 410 from 700psi to 3000psi in 23min and 23 seconds.

Dollar –

I just filled my 410 again and checked the temperature after it had ran for about 24 minutes without stopping – cylinder’s were much hotter than last time, but my non contact thermometer still only read about 80 degree’s (shiny aluminum might be the problem there)… My hand read 93 and there is no way in hell that my hand was hotter than the cylinder so I would ignore my previous temperature measurements.

nice Yellow I to have my shoebox, wating on a new hose, the one I have been using I don’t think is an air hose mabe grease gun hose and it has worked ok for me, just now taking on full pressure all the time, I want to be safe! so I orderd one, so probably be filling next week one day when I get some time to do it! Great video I think it is good to see the shoebox hooked up and running to show some how it works and some good info for others to see 😯

Filled a Quackenbush Exile from 1200 to 3000 psi in 17 min and 3 seconds.

Video showing how fast the gauge moves. Looks a little odd because I had to use after effects to stabilize the image.

And video with both compressor’s running for the first half and then just the shoebox to compare noise.

i understand. here in the summer it is 105-1i5 degrees, so i just leave the cover off and set a small fan in front of the unit. i figure this fan will move a lot more air over the internal parts than whatever the motor fan could draw into the unit. cylinders still get pretty damn hot! gotta say though, I LOVE THIS THING. it was a 60 mile round trip to the scuba shop to get a 3300psi fill in my 4500psi tank- NEVER AGAIN!! as far as those flats cut into the cylinder go, that is an excellent idea. when i had to change the piston O rings in mine a few months ago, i had to grab the cylinders with vise grips to get them out- scratched them up. it’s just cosmetic BUT IT PISSED ME OFF.

Sorry lurker, miaynderstood – I haven’t got as far as changing the automatic shut off and don’t even know where mine shuts off.

Dollar hunt – those are flats for a wrench. Mine ran for 15 minutes, then was shut off while I fixed the leak on gun for about 5 or 6 minutes (guessing) and then turned back on for 17 minutes or so and was in a cool basement so I was hoping it wouldn’t get too hot.

As for cover on being cooler – The cover has holes in one side, the motors own cooling fan sucks air in the front and expels it out the back so with the cover on it is drawing new cool air over the cylinders which will cool them more than just stationary air will without the cover.

Syn – $430, think price went up a bit now though

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I found Voltare’s instructions for filling off a high pressure tank to a lower pressure and that works but I’m looking for any additional ideas.

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Excellent write up Yello, that’s less time than with a pump!

How much is the shoebox? Impressive bit of equipment.

OK there YN,

I added the 4500 PSI Guppy tank from Tony Brancato. So, I fill my CONDOR to whatever from the 4500 PSI tank.The AF tank tends to fill real quick.

I was wondering if you have any special trick to get any precise fill. I found Voltare’s instructions for filling off a high pressure tank to a lower pressure and that works but I’m looking for any additional ideas.

i noticed your shoebox has what looks like slots machined into both the upper and lower cylinder. mine(#42) does not have those slots. any idea what they are for? i also noticed that the temperatures you posted seem a LOT lower than what the cylinders in mine seem to be. both cylinders have always felt hot to the touch and according to Tom’s website, they can get up to 150 degrees( mine aren’t that hot but you can’t leave your finger on them indefinitely). it’s hard for me to believe that the shoebox will run cooler with the cover on than off- i don’t think mine would.

Good write up and great pics Y. I think that this is a great advancement for airgunners. It’s about the same money as a good hand pump. I like that the parts are all available and easy to replace. Again, Kudos Tom Kaye! 😀

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YN,

Good buy on that $40 compressor.

Just a few questions, if you don’t mind.
What was your Target fill pressure and was It easy to determine when to cut it off?
Would it be easy to cut it off at a lower fill pressure?

Thanks,
Edmund

I was filling to 3000psi (I should have mentioned that in original post)

I have the 4500psi version of the shoebox, so if I want to fill lower than that I need to keep an eye on the fill adapters guage. It’s just a matter of watching it and flicking the switch to off when it’s at the desired PSI. Not something I’d recommend for longer fills, but taking my gun from 2000 to 3000 shouldnt take long at all.

YN,

Good buy on that $40 compressor.

Just a few questions, if you don’t mind.
What was your Target fill pressure and was It easy to determine when to cut it off?
Would it be easy to cut it off at a lower fill pressure?

Thanks,
Edmund

Great review and pics, as always Ross…
Keep up the good work.

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