Talon SS adjustable power issue!
I recently purchased my first Talon SS 0.22 couple of weeks ago. I like the gun very much in term of accuracy, shot count, look, etc. I am new to the world of PCP and the Talon SS is quite an upgrade in accuracy in comparison to the break barrels I’m used to for long time (Gamo, RWS, Norica).
I spent sometime researching between the Talon SS and the new synthetic Marauder and it was a very close call. The tie breaker for me was the adjustable power feature in the Airforce gun, as I was planning to do a lot of backyard friendly shooting. Initially when I tried the gun for the couple of hundred shots, I found not much difference in the sound, feel, and target penetration of the shots whether I set the power adjustment wheel at minimum, 4, 10, or 12. So I bought a chrony to verify and tested with full tank using the first 20 shots (JSB .22 15.4g). The results were confirming my doubts. At minimum level I was getting around 820 fps, while at setting 10 I was getting 835 fps. A difference that was only little higher than the expected noise level or SD so for all practical reasons I am getting no power adjustability. Seeing reviews by Tom Gaylord and others I was expecting a drop to near 500 fps with the minimum setting which is not as low as the 400 advertised nevertheless a substantial drop.
I called pyramid air and I was told that this is something they have been saying often in new Talons that they were not getting much power adjustments at all. So I was wondering if any of you guys here have seen this problem before or have any advice on how this could be fixed. I am not clear after talking to the seller if this is a defect in my gun or something expected within the stock variations.
Thanks in advance
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Typical wet behind the ear, know it all newby. He’s learned one way to do a thing, and now knows everything there is to know. 🙄 Fucking Idiot! :3:
fwiw, we use a little more than 3000 psi for the .257’s but I guess you didn’t know that. Like a lot of other things you don’t know and are too damed pig headed to learn.
Your building quite a rep. here on the forum fast. Damned shame. All bad. 👿
I formed this opinion through reading how to tune a marauder and hours of tuning my talonP with different PW settings and fill pressures. Oh BTW, my other conclusion is that it doesn’t like pressure above 3000 psi, try it and you’ll see. I might publish my results later.
Until you actually do the shit yourself and get some actual experience with the guns you want to give advice about, your opinions aren’t really valid. People asking the questions wand real world/hands on experience answers
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not sure what actual experience you’re talking about. I hope you’re not saying that I actually to to go outside somewhere and shoot at actual targets. I have a chrony and I’m shooting in my basement. It doesn’t matter what I shoot at, the only thing that matter is what the CRONY tells me the FPS is. I spent a lot of time getting results just changing one variable, the PW. All I can say is that there does exist this magical PW setting (at least for the TalonP that I have) that give me the best 6-7 shots with least FPS spread. There is no way in hell that you can go max PW and get a bell curve. It’s a steep downhill slope from there. I’m no expert, but I’m getting results from this and if people don’t want to listen to me that’s fine. It’s working for me and I’m sharing my results.
I formed this opinion through reading how to tune a marauder and hours of tuning my talonP with different PW settings and fill pressures. Oh BTW, my other conclusion is that it doesn’t like pressure above 3000 psi, try it and you’ll see. I might publish my results later.
Until you actually do the shit yourself and get some actual experience with the guns you want to give advice about, your opinions aren’t really valid. People asking the questions wand real world/hands on experience answers
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Don’t start shit man… This could turn into another FrankEdstein post. I never call anybody stupid. It’s my opinion, repeat opinion, that you shouldn’t mess with the power wheel once you find an optimal setting. And it’s my opinion again that there exists this magical PW setting.
I formed this opinion through reading how to tune a marauder and hours of tuning my talonP with different PW settings and fill pressures. Oh BTW, my other conclusion is that it doesn’t like pressure above 3000 psi, try it and you’ll see. I might publish my results later.
Good thing it is just your opinion. Some of us use our guns with .177 .20 .22 .25 and even .257 and .303-388 solid bullets. Never tuning for the intended projectile is simply out of the question. And shows an ill informed understanding of just what these guns are capable of.
Telling others that something is stupid simply because you don’t know any different could be considered —-Well, Stupid! 😆 but I doubt that you are. I will give you the benefit of the doubt and just assume you are just slightly ignorant of the nature of this particular platform.
I just read another post by you. You were asking similar questions, and admiting you (as you put, don’t know shit) Now your running down another new gun, and calling people stupid for wanting to adjust thier guns of top performance with different pellets. What the Hell Dude! Do you know what the hell you are talking about or not. If you do, why are you asking how to tune. If not why are you saying somthing is stupid when you have already admited that you don’t know what the fuck you are talking about. You have some splain’n to do there Lucy!
Well said. I hate when people do that crap.
Unfortunately it happens all the time and people end up following incorrect/stupid advice.
Wow! Looks like Einstein has spoken! 😆
Good thing it is just your opinion. Some of us use our guns with .177 .20 .22 .25 and even .257 and .303-388 solid bullets. Never tuning for the intended projectile is simply out of the question. And shows an ill informed understanding of just what these guns are capable of.
Telling others that something is stupid simply because you don’t know any different could be considered —-Well, Stupid! 😆 but I doubt that you are. I will give you the benefit of the doubt and just assume you are just slightly ignorant of the nature of this particular platform.
I just read another post by you. You were asking similar questions, and admiting you (as you put, don’t know shit) Now your running down another new gun, and calling people stupid for wanting to adjust thier guns of top performance with different pellets. What the Hell Dude! Do you know what the hell you are talking about or not. If you do, why are you asking how to tune. If not why are you saying somthing is stupid when you have already admited that you don’t know what the fuck you are talking about. You have some splain’n to do there Lucy!
In my notes, I’ve got the restrictor / PW setting that lets me run different pellets at the same zero. Works for me.
What if you’re banging Blue Jays with JSB’s, large varmints with Kodiaks, and coyotes with 43grn EJ’s? Some of use these things as tools and need everything we can squeeze out of ’em.
John
that’s fine. but let’s say you dial up the PW to max for EJ, you would get maximum FPE on the first shot, the next shot would be slow, then slower, then slower. Your POI will change (drop)! I don’t think you will have the consistency shot to shot. I would leave PW to whatever it is optimal and just change the pellets accordingly. You will still have more FPE as your increase pellet weight. Just make sure you have your notes on where to aim (mil dots).
Or better yet, get a regulator….
What if you’re banging Blue Jays with JSB’s, large varmints with Kodiaks, and coyotes with 43grn EJ’s? Some of use these things as tools and need everything we can squeeze out of ’em.
John
adjusting power on an airforce gun is stupid, IMHO. Use it to “tune” your rifle and whatever optimum setting you find, stick with that. Don’t ever change it again.
The gauges in the guns are usually 100 to 200 psi off. this is on just about ALL airguns with them. Not just AF.
A high tank pressusre will many times cause a few low velocity shots until the pressure drops. This is called valve lock and is common again in many pcp AG’s.
As you have learned, rubber “o” rings can work wonders, and are such a simple fix! 😉 😀 An added bonus is that they can help with air loss and noise caused by hammer bounce. A Win-Win! :8:
Knife
Well, that’s another complication. I am filling my gun using Air Venturi 90 cu in tank which has 2900 psi output regulator. So if I trust the regulator I am filling the gun at 2900 psi. However the gauge on the gun tank shows only 2700 psi when I refill, so either the gauge or the regulator is inaccurate and my pressure could be anywhere between the two values. Per Pyramid Air customer service the regulator is more reliable than the AF gauges, but I have to verify this by measuring the output connected to a different device/gun. unfortunately I don’t have (or know someone with) another PCP gun.
Thanks for the advice. I put an o ring under the hat and got the low PW setting doing 650 fps while setting 10 kept well at 830 fps.
I then tried thicker o rings and could get it all the way down to 410 fps on the low setting 🙂 (went even below that but was not interested in less than 400). The high setting however dropped to 640 fps so this was not an ideal configuration but a good solution for shooting indoor.
I would still like to have the gun behave nearly as advertised. But good thing we have a workaround now. Thanks!
What’s your tank pressure?
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Re the original question, the o’ring under the tophat acts more or less like a valve (travel) restrictor. Just a tip that might help, take the thick and thin o’rings you,ve been using and cut through them. If you want a lower velocity, just slip the thicker o’ring around the valve stem and vice versa.
My rifles stay at one setting but once in a while I’ll get the urge to destroy something, all I do then is to pull the o’ring off the stem and the valve travels further extending the dwell time and from there its very good therapy after a long hard week at work. Its a lot quicker than pulling out the valve each time.
Hope it helps.