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My barrel that came with the Condor is a very early one.
It had press fit delrin bushings with NO setscrews, and the barrel is turned down to .60″ just past the 2nd bushing to the muzzle. 90° target crowned.
I had to make my own bushings to get it to shoot consistently. Ever since POI changes between shooting sessions do not happen.
I more or less had to tap them thru the frame using a tube and rubber hammer until they lined up with the grub hole, then tap them back out and fitted them to the barrel.
I did this because the inside of my old condor frame is tapered. The bushings turned out to be 1.11 and 1.07 before each would fit correctly, the smaller one nearest the breech. Neither one will go all the way thru the frame.
I dont know how old this frame is, there are no serial numbers on it and I had to drill the side holes myself.
A hair dryer should release that blue lock tite for you.
I think the bushings are too small. I used a small amount of blue locktite on the threads of the setscrews. I think the locktite weeped in between the barrel and bushings. I tried to take the gun apart several months ago but couldn’t get it apart. Opps! On the bright side, it shoots straight and doesn’t loose much power from that worn front breech seal. 😉 My TSS is a great little gun tha I have been using for plinking cans while my son shoots his recurve bow. I really like my Talon SS.
They use 2 on each bushing 4 in total for both. The original guns used only 1 set screw per bushing and the bushings were of delrin and the barrels were not LW.
If your bushings are that much smaller then you need new bushings. Either the ID of the frame is to big or the bushings are undersized.
If you ever get around to it you should measure both and we will have a better idea which it is.
The bushings in my TSS were loose enough that I wrapped aluminum foil around them and used a small piece of scotch tape to hold the foil. It would be nice if their tolerences were closer. Maybe they are now…probably not if they are using four setscrews to hold the bushings.
Seems to me, the biggest improvement was
“BB Pelitier”= GAYLORD—-=LEFT. 😛 😛 😀 This has allowed the company to at least finally look at a few problems and new Ideas. Gaylord wouldn’t hear to that when he was there!
Rather than the Huge asset he was supposed the be, he was one, if not their largest detriment! 👿
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I am a big proponent of sizing the bushing to fit the frame and think everyone could benefit by doing so.
Just like you need to glass bed a rifle stock you can do something similar to the bushings custom fit the bushing to the frame.
The easiest way for even a novice to do is use fingernail polish and lightly coat the OD of the bushing and let it dry then simply push the bushing in and let the frame scrap away any excess dried polish. Or you can hand fit it by by sanding the nail polish of with wet and dry sand paper and testing the fit as you lightly sand it off until a perfect fit is achieved.
Once you custom fit the bushing to the rifle the problem just goes away.
Easy Peasy
C’mon WOK, you had Walter post that so you could bring us up to date on the AF imporvements. …or is Voltar your alter-ego; a means to express your negative and condescending side? 😉
If those bushings would fit correctly, they wouldn’t need 4 set screws and it would solve accuracy issues. But they have stepped up their game. The red and blue colors are cool. I love how trhey thought to add .25 caliber to the selection. I don’t know why anyone didn’t think of that before? Do you have to pay them for the slip-on butt idea? 😉
I like that idea a lot, the newer more powerful airgun, would benefit from a weaver scope base.
If they figured a way to hone the frames so all are within a .001″ that would make a huge difference. Bushings could be made to fit snug and a lot of accuracy problems would be solved.
The scope rail should be of Weaver dimensions and much thicker. The frame tube needs to be sized to a precised dimension with bushings to match.
The should take some of the ideas of the Edge and apply them to their normal line as well.
They need to make the scope rail thicker.
If they figured a way to hone the frames so all are within a .001″ that would make a huge difference. Bushings could be made to fit snug and a lot of accuracy problems would be solved.
Really?
You need a run down?
Since Gaylord left they have improved:
Customer Service
They sell parts
Their New CNC turns our more consistent frames then in the past.
They have 4 barrel bushing screws
The tank collar now has 2securing set screws
They made the spin lock
They added a quick fill to the tank
They made the Talon P tank with quick fill and gauge
They offer .25 guns
They made the edge with regulator
They made tri rail now with BKL design
They offer red and blue frames
They made the new peep sight for the Edge
They borrowed my idea of a strap on shoulder piece for the tank.
The guns are better quality control then several years ago… not the best quality but better and a good deal.
Are you just trolling or simply not been paying attention? You have been on this site for 7 years and we discuss the good and the bad here. When something is bad we work to improve it. When Airforce improves something we give them Kudos for that as well and just do not pretend it did not happen.
I don’t know of any improvements just short cuts in machining to cut time on machining.
Valve bodies don’t have the threads relieved. The seal are not tapered anymore and the new ones are to loose for older valve stems.
Unless your talking about the spin lock setup. I don’t use it because I have multiple tanks and clock the tanks to the gun instead of having to adjust just to change tanks. It would work good to clock the TTTA though.
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So it’s an extruded frame that isn’t internally machined for truenes/concentricity. We just wonder why we can’t make some of them shoot right.
It never occured to me that the bushing sizes would be different. That’s why the bushings are so loose. As long as they are close enough, nobody will notice.