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Top Hat Adjust Numbers… For the Experts to Interpret

Hi all. After consulting with GLBJ, I decided to adjust the top hat. I will spare you all the gory details of the adjustment. However during the test I did notice a few odd things and would like you input.

Prior to adjusting my velocities averaged about 832 fps with the same setup outlined below (top hat out).

I set the top hat in as far as it would go. I started testing and when I hit the magic gap with the jump in velocities, I measured it. It turned out to be .085. My velocities jumped into the 900’s and seemed to stay there. I adjusted the top hat out a bit more and continued the test. Here is where it gets weird… Any gap larger than .085 my velocities started to drop? I repeated the adjustments several times (keeping the tank filled to 2700psi) and every time I adjusted the top hat out past .085 the velocities started to fall… I set it at .085 and put it away for the night…

This morning I set back up and ran a string of 20 shots for you guys to interpret.

Set up
.22 cal. Talon SS with shroud
12” Barrel
Preload set at 4-1

The Test
20 Shot String
14.3 Crosman Premier HP (non weighed, taken right from the tin)
Start Test 2700psi
End Test 2500psi
Low 885.6
High 919.0
Average 906.2
Extreme Spread 33.42
Standard Deviation 11.13
1 900.6
2 919.0
3 914.3
4 916.9
5 913.5
6 917.4
7 918.5
8 915.6
9 917.1
10 916.9
11 914.8
12 904.9
13 896.3
14 899.6
15 896.2
16 894.2
17 898.5
18 895.7
19 885.6
20 889.0

There were a few weird readings like number one… But, to me it looks pretty good. What do you experts think? Do the numbers tell you something that I cannot see?

Also, why would adjusting the top hat out past .085 cause the velocities to go down? This could also be a flaw in my testing method because as I saw the velocities drop (one shot) and I would stop and go back to what turned out to be .085 ( I was looking for the jump or rise in velocities not drop… )

Thank you

Talon/Talon SS

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quote mamcrackin:

quote pablouk:

A tad more air +100/150 psi and you will have the bell curve.

2+

Thanks all, It looks like if I just add some air I will be good to go.

Thanks,

Rob

could try and turn the PW down just a bit and loose a little shot string start velocity to increase shot count with curve.

some where between 4 and 3.5 on the power wheel maybe.

quote pablouk:

A tad more air +100/150 psi and you will have the bell curve.

2+

thanks powderburner i knew thered b a post on here someware on the subject tried a search and other weird shit came up

quote northdude:

hey guys im confused where are you taking this top hat measurement from i see you always talk in .0 something but the only place where i c i can measure mine is it looks at least 4-5mm

Think back in time when even your country used the Imperial sytem of weights and measures.

0.070″ = 70/1000s of one of the Kings big toes!

Walter…

hey guys im confused where are you taking this top hat measurement from i see you always talk in .0 something but the only place where i c i can measure mine is it looks at least 4-5mm

I feel for ya , i am off work right now getting over major surgery myself.BUt i’m at the end of this rodeo. been off 3 monthes. just about to get back in gear.

Thanks for the replies guys. I have not had time to read them as I had some major surgery on Tuesday and am stuck in bed.

Talk to you all soon.

quote pablouk:

A tad more air +100/150 psi and you will have the bell curve.

+2

#1 is called the Spare Shot in all my Notes…. 😉
I just dont care what it says……

Then the show begins……

Those are some cool chrony numbers…….
In the wild a 20 shot string does it all…..if it doesnt then you are not performing 🙂

All those who replied are experts …and that goes for me to…. 😀

Every Day…for Everyone is a learning……. 😆

any time i put air in or mess with top hat i always dry fire one time .it seems to do away with the first shot deviation, looks good to me.

How are the crossmans shooting at those vel.

A tad more air +100/150 psi and you will have the bell curve.

Looks pretty good. The lower #1 looks like it could be the start of the bell curve we all look for. 😉

Mike

I’m no expert, but since no one else has chimed in, it looks good to me. If I wanted to play some more, I would try .070/.075/.080 and 2500 fill.

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