Where to buy slugs ???
Where do you guys buy slugs ? I tried PMing and emailing Jerry but havent heard back.Is he taking orders? I now have an email to Tony. Im hoping hes got some in stock.Anybody have any other places. I know of Mr. Hollowpoint but believe I am looking for .251 dia which he doesnt list. I just got one of Dougs valves and have a stock 24″ .25 barrel. I am just going to use it for target shooting since I dont hunt. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks,John.
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Cronos, I cut off like an inch and 3 quarters,no on the lead, I am shooting EJs and they shoot good, then I am pretty sure I can shoot the Kodiacs, with the low tank pressure. I had a 14 in. barrel, now it is 12 and a quarter. I also have another 24in. Condor, Jerrys slugs work good, and let me no how the slugs you orderred go.
RC,
Didn’t you have to send back a couple of those tj barrels ❓
What was that about ❓
How would a non expert know if he got a good one ❓
Jerry,
I like the Black Mambas but would like to try some of the 6 rings whenever you get things going again.
Tell your son we appreciate his efforts and I think he should consider asking for a nickel per hour raise.
Maw, Did you cut a lead in ? How much did you cut off your barrel ? I am going to wait until I have time to try mine before cutting it.
I just cut my barrel and crowned it and amazing enough im getting excellent groups with eun jins. All slugs have been, the scattergun effect til now.
John,
Sorry I didn’t get back to your email from Friday until today, I was out of town eating blue crabs and dragging my kids around the creek for father’s day weekend. I just sent you an email but then realized we have a couple bags of slugs from an order we had to repeat. Check my reply to your PM.
For all the rest of you with any interest in the Surefire (Jerry’s) slugs: We’re trying to work though some tooling issues. As anyone who has worked with even the simplest tool or machine knows, wear and tear happens. We’re using one double sided mold for either 2 6 rings and 2 9 rings at a time or 4 7 rings at a time. This is the third mold/handle set since we started this operation years ago when my two oldest sons made the bullets (both of them have since left home!). This equipment has produced tens of thousands of slugs. We can still produce a quality slug but the gear needs adjustment with nearly every pour due to threads having been fouled and chased and hinges wearing and pins getting loose etc. I can’t expect a 14 year old to make adjustments to the tool every pour and then make 500 perfect pours for a 1000 slug order(s)…not for 30 cents/ perfect pour before inspection, cleaning, sizing, weighing, packaging and mailing. We had a couple orders make it out that were not to my standards and had to replace those. I don’t want to ship less than great slugs and I sure can’t ask my son to work in a sweatbox for $2 an hour while he adjusts tooling!
Anyhow, I’m going to see what else I can come up with to work with the current mold until I can get it properly tuned and aligned with new (sturdier) handles and also get a 4 cavity 6 ring mold/handles made so that set-up is reduced.
Hate to whine :3: but that’s where we’re at right now!
RC,Thanks for the info. I will have to do more research I guess. I had hoped to do something with the valve I got from doug and then maybe do a 257 and/or 308 later. I had read some had good results with Jerrys slugs in a stock barrel but I never got a reply from him and Tony said hes out. Sadly I had a bunch I had got with a gun but sold them when I gave up waiting for a valve.Oh well, Now I know how my powderburner buddies feel about ammo shortages.
Cronos,
While many have had excellent results with Jerry’s slugs and choked barrels, shooting cast bullets out of a choked barrel and having no lead cut in can be a little frustrating at times.
Jerry’s slugs were designed to work in LW barrels and they do a fine job, hopefully a source will be available soon for them.
I just did not experience good accuracy trying the cast bullets in the LW choked barrel, but it becomes a mute point if you don’t have thumbs of steel like the guy in the current box office hit, Superman. Jerry’s slugs work on LW barrels without a lead because they were designed with tiny driving bands that offer less resistance in chambering opposed to the wider bands of conventional cast bullets
Without a lead cut into the breech of my barrels, I used two different LW barrels, I found it very difficult to chamber the cast bullets, and if they do chamber they are most likely undersize, which just will not work for best accuracy.
But be forewarned if you cut a lead into the barrel, your going to have a dedicated cast bullet barrel from then on, which can’t be used for pellets unless you: deep seat them with a tool, or have a machinist set the barrel back.
In my research and experimentation, I found that to get cast bullets to shoot well in the LW barrel, you needed to, remove the choke, cut a lead in the breech to accept the cast bullets, and find a bullet that is close to the groove diameter so that your not oversizing it, and never under groove diameter.
When a bullet company sells bullets that are all the same design but range from .260 to .251, I have to wonder if they perhaps are using the same mold and just sizing them down from .260 or .259 as cast to .251, not something that I would expect to give, and traditionally does not give stellar accuracy.
Now that same fellow does sell 25 acp bullets, and they do drop out at .251, and IF you have slugged that barrel and it is .251 that will work for you, once you cut a lead, but if your barrel is .253 or .255 like mine was, .251’s will not give good accuracy for air power does not have the power to bump up bullets to fit the bore like smokeless and especially black powder does.
But then again realize I am always chasing the very best accuracy.
Usually to get good accuracy from air guns with cast bullets, you need to have slugs that are the exact size or one to two thousand over groove diameter.
The best option is always a TJ barrel in .258 and use over the counter bullets or mold specifically designed for that barrel.
Long winded I know but I hope this helps John.
Regards,
Roachcreek
I said I have sent an email to Tony,but thanks. I was looking for additional places. Placed an order with Hunters Supply, Thanks Doug.
Have we all forgotten?
TT sells Jerry’s black momba slugs…click on the TT banner on top of page..get them from him, your not likely to find them at your gun show..
Havent tried it yet but want to have everything ready when I have time. Maybe somebody will have some at the CT airgun show.
Hunters supply has 63 gr .251. Don’t know how they shoot out of a choked barrel but they shoot good out of a TJ’s .25 barrel with no choke. Don’t get anything from Mr hollow point.
Might have to wait on Jerry’s slugs. I know he is in the process of getting a new mold. His molds are wore out I guess. I did have some issues with a batch and that’s when he told me.
Have you shot the valve yet?
I got some from Doug, if you have the choked lw barrel, the 76.5 won’t work, try the 74.5’s or Eun Jins.
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Lurker,
No, I have not had to send back a TJ barrel.
But is important to note that they do not shoot to full potential until they have been polished to some degree, for me that is fire lapping.
Only air gun barrel I have had to send back was a LW 25, I got it from RL Airguns and tired for a year to get it to shoot. One day I was talking to the owner of RL and told him about the barrel and he immediately asked me to send it back and he replaced it , I was amazed by that.
Regards,
Roachcreek