Why small caliber? .177 .22 etc
What is the attraction to the small caliber pellet rifles? Is it just to shoot and see how accurate you can do it? Im not bashing I just don’t understand the attraction to a pellet rifle that shoots a
.177 pellet. I’m assuming it’s just the sport of seeing how accurate you can be with it but other than that there’s really no use?
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All cal has its own use. Nothing’s better than than .177 when it comes to being quiet, cost efficient and shooting in tight compound where u can only hit ur target ie ratting ard chicken cage etc
A lot of people underestimate the capability of .177. If you think .177 will not able to take down 50 60kg hog in one shot humanely, ur not a good shooter.
We have 100m benchrest plinking with .177. Thats really testing our skill esp when the wind gets strong. Target is 7cm yet our last competition need to be decided in sudden death match between 6 shooters
Theres 1001 other reason of why small bore. Its like asking why springer when we already invented pcp.
Ed
Hi
Living in England and our sub 12 laws I find that you need all the speed you can get!!!!!! Having said that over the last 15 years I have take hundreds and hundreds of rabbit’s out to 45 yards with my .177 mk1 AA tx 200 running at 10 Foot pound !!it’s not about the power hit them in the brain they fall down!!!!!
Now use my reged mk1.20 rapid all the time running at 11.8 with over 250 shots per 230 bar fill and 3/4″ groups at 65 yards I’m happy!!!
All the best
Martin
The calibers available to us as air gunners are what makes this sport sooooo amazing and fun to be in
Yo have an obvious preference for a caliber, and a stated use for same. And that’s fine.
Not my cuppa tea, as I prefer nothing more than .25. And that works for me. Living in Montana, when I need to reach out, I have other options to do so.
To each his own!
(now I need you all to call or write the department of Fish Wildife and parks in Montana and beg them to allow big bores for game animals…..)
I have to chime in here, the reason some people shoot a .177 over a .22 or anything else is because it is the God given right to. no other explanation is needed.
I bow hunt and I spend a 1000.00 on a bow that I will only shoot at a big game out to 25 yards with a 420 grn arrow at 341 fps. Not that I can not shoot further, I can show you plenty of 60 yard Robinhoods. But in the ethical dept 0f what is right and wrong, shooting any further than 25 yards is unethical to me, you just can not see tiny limps that will deflect an arrow enough to make a bad shot in an animal. I personally will not do it.
just this year, spent 700.00 on a cross bow for my wife that I sighted in out to 40 yards with her, but we have agreed that no animal will be shot past 25 yards.
Birdman, I’ll cross that bridge when I come to it. It sure was a blessing to me to care for Mom for 7 years until 10 months after Fukushima caused her to die from pancreatic cancer. Now Cesium is collecting along the left coast. It could cause cancer or extreme irritability but they say it is harmless in the DETECTABLE amounts they are seeing for now.

Also, to many of my friends died earily and got next to nothing for there years of paying into SS, so I plan to collect until I’m ready to go in another 48+ years or so at 120+. Our knowledge is gold to the few that will listen. If everything; hearing, sight, mobility of any kind, and memory gives up intirely, then I may think about taking the worst bitch I have know with me and kick her ass off the road to the pearly gates. You know, I don’t owe it to mankind to preform that service as it will be difficult to pick only one. Naw, St. peter will have to do the kicking as I can’t even bring myself to shoot the neighborhood stray cats. My neighbor must be related to St. Peter because he keeps the pests under control with his break barrels. So there is good use for .177 caliber airguns even in the once great U.S.
Lurker , don’t get too worried about a floater in one eye . I have been fighting glaucoma in both of my eyes for the last ten years , if you lose one
eye at least you will still have one good eye to get through life with . When you lose both eyes then for me at my age it will be time to eat a bullet .
Maybe sorry to say , but it is my choice and I refuse to spend the rest of my life in darkness and being a burden to my love ones , selfish on my part ,
yes , my love ones even though I will have hurt them will understand . Until then I shall live my life as best as I can .
FROM : THE BIRDMAN
Reason for smaller calibers ❓ how about this:
Friday an M.D. vision specialist told me no more boxing, jogging, or jarring for a while until they determine if my retina is not tearing loose where the gelatin floater came from. I told her my air rifles don’t recoil. You sissys better die young. Getting old ain’t all fun.
Good read GKU,
Seems like I read that before, Its was always a war between the 177 and the 22, I remember the odd ball .20 that was Sheridan line of pellets and shot a lot of them to.
177 was the most accurate of all guns 40 years or so ago, My thoughts back then was I would rather shoot a rabbit in the brain then the body, So I always bought the 177
Unless I used my big brothers .20 Sheridan which I had to sneak out of his room with, ( I still have it)
I think the PCP guns changed all that,
The first time I pulled the trigger on a sparrow with a . 25 Marauder at 48 yards and watched him explode I was hooked.
I set the FWB 124 down and have not looked back since.
Mike
Some interesting reads for yah.
.177 versus .22 : By jkirschy
Introduction:
One of the more common air-gun questions we get at Yahoo Answers is which caliber is better, .177 or .22. Whenever that question is asked, there’s always a lot of misinformation and disinformation that gets spouted in addition to the usual heckling you see on any air-gun question. There are also a couple people who make an honest attempt to explain the complexities of the issue and help people to make an informed choice. This essay is intended to help clarify the topic in a format which does not have a character limit and hopefully reduce the controversy about which of the two most popular airgun calibers is “better” by examining the advantages and disadvantages of both calibers.
Power:
Unlike firearms, an air-gun’s ammunition does not supply any of the projectile’s power. The air-gun’s power plant is the only source of power for the projectile. So if you take two airguns of the same make and model that differ only in caliber, they will usually produce almost identical power levels with 1 ft-lb or less of muzzle energy separating the two calibers. To prove that the power difference between calibers is minimal, lets look at typical chronograph numbers for a hunting air-gun, the RWS 34.
caliber pellet weight muzzle velocity muzzle energy
.177 8.3 grain 900 fps 14.9 ft-lbs
.22 14.5 grain 685 fps 15.1 ft-lbs
There is an exception to this generalization with pre-charged air-guns, particularly the more powerful pre-charged airguns, since they are at their most efficient when shooting heavier pellets which can give an energy advantage to .22 caliber guns. However this rule of thumb holds true for spring-piston air-guns, co2 air-guns, and pump pneumatics. So the notion that .22 caliber guns are inherently more powerful is generally false.
Speed Kills:
While I have no doubt that this is true when it comes to drugs, in the world of airguns, this is another myth. Speed does not kill. Impact energy, destruction of major organs, and bleeding from the wound channel is what kills game. Velocity is one part of kinetic energy, so it does contribute to the amount of impact energy. However it is only part of the equation. As a result it’s possible to have a light, high-velocity pellet and a heavy, low-velocity pellet with the same, or very nearly the same, impact energy. Again let’s look at some numbers.
caliber pellet weight impact velocity impact energy
.177 8 grains 822 fps 12 ft-lbs
.22 14 grains 621 fps 12 ft-lbs
So by looking at the energy figures in that table, its apparent that velocity by itself does not make an airgun any more deadly.
An additional concern with high velocities when shooting airguns is the negative impact that velocities over 1000 fps have on accuracy. In these “trans-sonic regions”, the high drag nature of airgun pellets tends to produce poor accuracy because of how aerodynamics changes as you approach the speed of sound. It’s sort of like how Chuck Yeager complained that the X1 was shaking a whole lot as it approached the speed of sound. This “shaking” results in larger groups and poorer accuracy. So it’s actually advantageous to keep pellet velocities in the 800-1000 fps range, well below the speed of sound.
.177 for Feathers & .22 for Fur:
This is a common catch-all you’ll hear when someone asks the .177 vs. .22 question. And there is some truth to it. However it radically over-simplifies things. The idea behind this saying is that that lighter .177 caliber pellets are more effective for small, light bodied animals like birds while the heavier .22 caliber pellets are more effective with mammals like squirrel and rabbit because it leaves a bit larger wound channel. And it might even have been true back in the 1950s and 1960s when air-gun power levels hovered around 5-8 ft-lbs of muzzle energy. However today things have changed.
Today it really doesn’t make a lot of difference whether you’re using .177 or .22 caliber for most small game (squirrels & rabbits), nuisance birds (English sparrows, starlings, and feral pigeons), or vermin (mice & rats). That’s because the energy levels for the “adult” air-guns people use for hunting run from a low of around 5 ft-lbs of muzzle energy up to 80 ft-lbs of muzzle energy. The average spring piston gun (the most common choice for hunting due to its affordable price) seems to be about 12-17 ft-lbs of muzzle energy. In addition, the pellets we have today are usually better quality and perform better than the ones from the 1950s and 1960s. So not only do today’s guns deliver more energy, but they also deliver more accuracy, which lets people place pellets to make better use of the energy their guns deliver. And to be perfectly honest, x ft-lbs of impact energy is x ft-lbs of impact energy regardless of whether its delivered by a .177 or .22 pellet.
The only time when caliber does become an issue is when you’re using an airgun for larger than normal game, like raccoons, opossum, nutria, or fox. With animals that are that big and tough, .22 caliber pellets are a better choice. That’s not necessarily because of any inherent advantage, simply because very heavy .22 (or even .25) caliber pellets shot at high velocities from the most powerful “magnum” spring-piston and more powerful pre-charged air-guns, which are the only appropriate choice for animals that large, can and do let you deliver a lot more impact energy without pushing the pellet to transonic and supersonic velocities.
Compromises:
Having already stated that both .177 and .22 caliber pellet guns can be used to kill small game animals, it’s important to note that both calibers have strengths and weaknesses. And so choosing a caliber is necessarily a matter of compromises. Which caliber to pick is in part a matter of which compromises you’re willing to make and in part a matter of matching the pellet to the power of the gun you’re looking at.
.177 caliber guns shoot a lighter, smaller diameter pellet at a higher velocity. This produces a flatter trajectory at realistic airgun ranges, say out to 40 yards. This flatter trajectory reduces the importance of range estimation and makes it easier to precisely place a pellet since hold-over/hold-under becomes less important. In addition, .177 caliber offers two other advantages. The first is that since it is the most common airgun caliber, it has an extremely wide selection of pellets. This increases the odds of finding a pellet your gun shoots accurately. The second is that because .177 pellets use less material and are made in such huge numbers the cost is usually much less than a .22 caliber pellet. This difference in cost is several cents per each pellet. So if you’re planning on shooting a lot, either in formal matches or plinking, .177 caliber is very appealing. There are two disadvantages of .177 caliber: a narrower wound channel and tendency to over-penetrate on light-bodied animals like nuisance birds. Both are related to the fact that the .177 is a smaller diameter projectile. The narrower wound channel means that with body shots .177 caliber will do less internal damage and correspondingly take longer to allow an animal to bleed out. The over penetration issue stems from the fact that the impact energy is spread over a smaller area. Neither disadvantage is insurmountable, especially if you limit yourself to head-shots and use pellets which are optimized for the kinds of game animals you’re shooting.
.22 caliber guns shoot a heavier, larger diameter pellet at a lower velocity. As a result of their greater diameter, they will produce a larger wound channel and are less likely to over-penetrate. The larger diameter wound channel means they’re going to kill more quickly with a body shot. And the fact they are less likely to over-penetrate means they actually may be a better choice for nuisance birds. There are two big disadvantages to .22 caliber pellets though: trajectory and cost. In guns producing less than 20 ft-lbs of muzzle energy, .22 caliber pellets result in a more pronounced trajectory which means range estimation has to be more precise than with a .177 caliber gun producing less than 20 ft-lbs. In guns producing over 20 ft-lbs, trajectory issues largely go away. The other disadvantage is cost… The cheapest .177 pellets run about $.01 per shot. The cheapest .22 pellets cost about $.03 per shot. So if you plan to shoot a lot, .22 will cost significantly more over the life of the gun.
The 20 ft-lb Rule:
It’s important to reiterate that both .177 and .22 caliber guns can be used to take small game (squirrels & rabbits), nuisance birds (English sparrows, starlings, and feral pigeons), or vermin (mice & rats). That said, I think the advantage between the calibers shifts at around 20 ft-lbs of muzzle energy because of issues with trajectory and pellet velocity.
In guns producing less than 20 ft-lbs of muzzle energy, .177 caliber has the advantage. The reason is that the flatter trajectory aids more accurate shot placement in the field. This stems from the fact that unless you’re using some form of range-finder, it’s all too easy to be off a bit when you estimate the distance to a rabbit or squirrel. The more pronounced trajectory of a .22 requires a bit more compensation which is more likely to result in either a bad hit or a miss if your range estimate is off. So personally I’d rather minimize the chances of that by going with a .177 caliber in guns producing less than 20 ft-lbs.
In guns producing over 20 ft-lbs of muzzle energy, I think the advantage shifts to .22 caliber. At that point the trajectory is sufficiently flat that .177 caliber doesn’t offer any substantial advantage. And just as importantly, in guns producing more than 20 ft-lbs of muzzle energy, the heavier .22 pellets let you keep the velocity sub-sonic where accuracy is best unlike .177 caliber pellets which will hit the transonic region due to their lighter weight. As a result, accuracy tends to be better, especially when you look at guns producing 25, 30, 40, or more ft-lbs of muzzle energy.
Which Is Better?
If you’re like me, at this point you probably want a simple answer to the question which is better. As I’ve stated throughout this essay, both calibers can reliably take small animals up to the size of rabbits at reasonable airgun ranges. And in the hands of an experienced shooter, both calibers can be surprisingly accurate. So while certain calibers may have an advantage at a given power level, which is best ultimately becomes a matter of personal preference. With that truism in mind, I encourage you to consider the information presented here as an introductory primer to help you make a good choice.
~ Greg
Back in the 70s 80s I am not sure when the high power PCPs came into market, But the 177 was the cal of choice, I bought one of the best of the best back in 1980 a FWB 124 , Shot placement was number one , And the god father of all air guns was Robert Beeman,,
I was asleep at the wheel when the PCPs came marching in , And up until two years ago believed the king was still 177 , I stepped into the PCP world so wanting a 22 cal gun but was talked into a 25 Marauder. I was hooked and forgot about the sticker price and , The power , the accuracy and the ease of shooting was just mind blowing, I am still taken away by dime size holes at 100 yards, With a air gun. Most of my friends and brothers think I am crazy,,,, Big money
Until they step up to the sand bags and take a few shots.
Just my two cents
Mike
I’ve been seriously considering a .177 semiauto over a larger caliber. Just not sure of the reliability.
I like my .177’s a lot. To each his own.
I hunted for 30 years from age 10 to 40 and only missed 4 big game animals over that time. I used a sporterized 1917 Enfield in 30-06 for the first ten years. No scope. From 10 yds to 635 yds I killed what I aimed at. From a 90 lb Antelope to 1300 bull moose.
My point is if you train enough with any rifle calibre you can be a very proficient hunter!
My father suffers from Arthritis and has for as long as I can remember used a .243 Winchester in a Remington 700 with a Burris 3 X 9 scope. He has killed ground squirrels to Rocky Mtn. Elk that weighed 550 lbs. field dressed! Dad, I and younger brother practiced every weekend shooting hunting rifles and our .22lr. Your average “Joe 6-pack” goes out two weeks before big game season opens and verifies his zero.
I guess my reasonings are flawed
Yep, again, following your reasoning, the 50BMG is the best overall kill everything caliber.
How comes you are not using that? Effective to 1+ miles.
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personal preference.