New Custom Airforce Guns – R&L Airgun Supplies (Stubby,
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riffraff,
did you consider putting me in your will yet, leaving me that stock? 😉
Why not drill one of these frames out like the Drag racers did in the 50’s to make em lighter. Not only will it take some weight away, but it will look KICK ASS 😉
Well I really like the stocks being offered. As a full length stock user myself, I know the pros and cons.
I made one myself a few years ago, and only cut the rear half off after getting tired of lugging around the extra weight. These stocks are MDF not plywood, so should be lighter than mine.
Before
After
My design was too bulky, but after cutting off the rear half I did not notice any of that dreaded “frame flex”. I believe the flex is cured by the one piece connection between the mounting bolts. That is where the frame needs stiffening, and these designs work well to cure that problem.
:thumb: to these new stocks.
What a cnut he was… 🙄
Who that one guy that could shoot sub MOA at 100 with a springer but not even a .5″ at 30 with a talon. He was a piece of work!
I believe they are made from mdf. Wood expands with moisture changes, some more than others. Harder and denser woods actually tend to move less because they are too dense to accept the slight bit of moisture in the air into the core of the wood. Lighter woods, such as pine and stuff will absorb more water because the grain tubes are larger and fill easier and further into the wood.
Aluminum will expand and contract considerably with heat and any steel aluminum parts with close tolerances will be effected. It’s the moisture that you have to be worried about with the wood and if the stock is sealed it shouldn’t be an issue. Most issues with wood stocks on pb’s is the mounting screws are over torqued and if the milling for the action isn’t perfect the parts can become torqued and mess up the alignment.
Unless the piece of wood wasn’t dried before it was shaped or if the grain was seriously messed up there shouldn’t be a problem.
That said, any force from one’s cheek on the tank is far more torque on the rifle’s frame than any wood or metal expansion (apart from using freshly cut wet wood without drying it). Additionally using no stock loads the frame with the shoulder forces too.
The frame itself is actually pretty stiff and resistant to bending from right to left because of the shape of the extrusion. The bottle collar and cantilevered bottle can twist the back of the frame where it has been cut as well as up and down putting bending stress on the scope riser and the loading area. Add the torque of the pistol grip in the same place and the whole thing is pretty loaded for bending when no full length stock is installed.
From my experience with using a few custom full stocks and isolating the cheek from the bottle I have found that getting the load off the bottle from the shoulder and the cheek is more advantageous than ANY potential twisting of properly used and dried wood.
Holding the frame along it’s length and getting the load off the pistol grip and the bottle collar with ANYTHING is better than the stock frame with the propensity to add torque from the bottle and collar area and twist with the grip, usually in two different directions.
I get this feeling your trying to make issues with a competitor’s product that simply are not there. Logic would make it obvious that holding the full length of the frame and getting the torque for the shouldering the stock bottle off of the frame HAS to be better than some slight movement in the wood.
My electric guitar stays in tune all year around and it’s made entirely of wood, different kinds of wood, any expansion and contraction would force the guitar out of tune. Hell slightly pushing the neck from front to back changes the tuning, but the summer winter change from 80% to 30% humidity won’t change the tuning… 😉
Non-issue. 😉
I am interested to see how that full stock effects accuracy as the climate changes. Wood expands and contracts due to moisture absorption from the environment. Even the hardest of wood will expand and contract even painted or given a poly finish.
The AF line of rifle are susceptible to frame flex just by shouldering it to firmly which can cause a POI shift people have chased for years until we found out what was causing it. A full wood stock has 2 anchor points on the AF frame up front and at the grip. As the wood expands and contract it could cause some POI change by putting a stress into those to areas.
It is something to keep in mind.
I talked with Randy and he said that they will offer the valves for sale @ 75.00. The valve is a modified condor valve that will also be used in their “9 mm”‘s. He also stated that he tried many different hammer weights all the way up to 130 grams plus…but in the end he decided on the stock condor hammer weight addition.
I am curious to see shot count and bell curve with light pellets as well as EJ’s.
I did not ask about the stocks being sold as I like WOK’s butt 😆 and his WOKGUARD too much to change that. Add’s stability and keeps the carbine super light. I’d imagine that this stability benefit will be a plus should I go for a hot rodded valve….
Definitely has a “tactical/evil” look about it 😆 😆 Sorry to hear that it is heavier though..LIGHTER would have been better, at least for some of us..I remember when I bought my brand new 1250 Dominator FT airgun kit. MAN !! I was pumped!!!!! All that power, and 4350 fill pressure, plus it was a repeater!!!!! Two weeks later I had it FOR SALE on the “yellow classified”…….once the newness wore off I discovered it wasn’t even close to what I wanted.
I truly like the look of your new “STUBBY” and it sounds like it has waaaay plenty power 😀 😀 😀 Post up some shot strings and shot groups at like 50 and 75 yards. …I for one am plenty curious about the accuracy…and just might be interested in a bare stock… NOW–get off that keyboard and go enjoy that new airgun 😎 😎
are they going to be selling just the stocks
What a cnut he was… 🙄
You say, Hoot get the hell of my porch!
Pabs,
Yeah if he changed the angle of the butt, so that the canted ETAC and tank would lay in it with the drop, make it out of very lightweight but rigid material, that would be the best of both worlds.
Then ombine it with your buddies magazine system. 😛
Regards,
Roachcreek
Unless someone makes a parisscope for it.
??Hunh?? The sight picture is no different than a stock AF rifle… It will look like all the other AF rifles with high mounts yet it will have a different stock… Does moving the scope up a 1/2″ really change the look of the stock… 😕
There is a really easy way to get a cheek rest on this stock things that doesn’t put any side pressure on the tank…
This. 😀 (I’ve got a canted Etacreg and would very much like to have one of these stocks!)
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did you consider putting me in your will yet, leaving me that stock? 😉
Uh, well… No.
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