oh wowsss!!!!
it takes like freakin 500 pumps to pump up a tank from 0 to 3000 im so tired… i need a hill pump bad….
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yah ill get a cf tank first i dont want to go the long exspensive route… not the way i want to go with this…. it will also give my arms a break….
Yep, it sure does SYNOP. Honestly, our (airgunners, men in general) problem is that we GET WAAAAAAAY EXCITED ABOUT NEW AIRGUNS and their AMENITIES and we just spend money. Even though my pump has been USED before quite a bit, it really was 200 bucks i could have put towards a CF tank at least. Same thing with my Aluminum tanks. i bought two of them first at about 100 bucks apiece and now they just sit in my garage with about 2000 psi left in them both. Another 200 bucks i could have put towards that same CF tank. That’s 400 bucks of wasted money that could have went to a CF tank. But hey, at least my experience has been paid for….lol
Great advice. I have found that the pump adds moisture to the air and that is not the best for this type of equipment. 😉 I was going to use a pump to fill my USFT I have on order but decided I wanted clean dry air only, and the tank on the USFT runs at half the AF tank pressure…
This is a KILLER deal on a cf tank with about five years left… A new tank will run you $600-$700 and they are still worth it in my opinion…
http://talonairgun.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=20192&sid=b3f282f0f865ff7ef2bc5e4205be2150
Pumps are baaaad.
I started out two years ago with a AF pump, they lasted about a month, each, three of them if I remember, may have been four.
Then I asked for my money back, used that money to get a scuba tank, a mistake, then another so I could cascade, which was starting on the right path.
Then I got tired of running to get my two tanks filled twice a week during the month leading up to harvest when I was shooting birds all day long for a month. It took 3 or 4 hours out of my day.
Then I found out about Tom Kaye and the Shoebox.
The single best buy was a Shoebox, but along with it came the eventual horde of CF tanks, cascade systems, I will shortly be cascading three 44 cuft tanks together. Then there is the Booster pump and the quick dismount regulator system that can be put on my 69 ci Airhog pygmy tank and tethered to either the Condor or the AA S410. If the mythical Thunderbirds come back I will tether the Ranger 45. 😯
If I was going to get a back up to the Shoebox, it would be another Shoebox, maybe a small gas generator to run it.
Not a bad idea in a post apocolyptic world, I could distill wine to run the generator. 💡
even if your compressor breakes down…theres scuba sstores that can refill….if you live a billion miles from such store, theres always companies that sell compressed gasses….nitrogen being one of them, a very dry air (breating air is 70% nitrogen) perfectly safe for your gun….and you can get a huge cylinder delivered with 4500-6000 psi….that will last allmost a year with normal airgun use…might be 150 bucks…but for a whole year without having to pump well i would do it
having a bad back my self….actually so bad that im on constant painkillers…of the very strong kind…..but even a healthy back can be ruined permanently by improper pumping !
straight back all the time, slightly leaned over forward by about 10 degress ….use arms, and legs for the motion, not the back….the 400-500 strokes it takes to fill a tank, put a lot of wear on your body…also it takes forever….50 strokes…cool down for 15 minutes….repeat….hours !
price of a fill is about 6-20$ ….tank is about 250-450$…..gas to a from store….you can get hell of a lot of fills for the price of a compressor (except the shoebox compressor, thats actually good value if it lasts) but the 3500$ for a scuba compressor + maintenance + power etc…you have to be a real avid shooter or live a place where a scuba fill is not accesable to actually make the compressor a good choice
when i did my tuning an building bigbore airforce, it was still a better option to just drive to the store and get a fill….of course if you dont have the time then a compressor is the way as well….
another and cheaper option now that you allready have the pump is to modify it to hook up to a tool compressor….feed it 10 psi…will drasticly cut down on amount of pumps…theres several people who have done this…makes the pumping a bit harder but so much faster
on the other hand you dont have to pump 400 pumps each time….a 2000 psi to 2700-3000 psi is only 100 pumps or so….no need to take a break…just do it all in one sitting well standing….
get your kids to do it….or wife (just say your back hurts like crazy) worked once for me LOL ONCE !!!!
pay the neighbors kids to pump…2 bucks should give you a top off 🙂
compressor and Cf tanks rock…..on the budget consider an aluminum or steel tank at 3500-4350 or 4500 psi..the bigger the better for home fills…a lot cheaper than a CF tank, and has a longer life span…
for me i pay 6 bucks for a fill of any tank in san jose near the airport….and 19.95$ for a visual and 35 for a hydro, i got two tanks
a big 106 cubic feet 3500 psi steel tank….and a 120 cf aluminum/firber glass wrapped tank at 4350 psi….i fill from the steel until i gets below desired pressure….then top off with the other tank….yeah i have to move the fill kit (you could buy two) but that lasts me a long time….actually now that i think about it its been almost two years since last fill….and i shot about 10 shots a day on average…yeah kids have really slowed down everything sigh….
Col….forgive me if i sound repetitious but, we are only looking out for you as we’ve already been there done that.
As much money as i’ve WASTED on the LONG ROUTE to airgun fills, if i could do it all over again, i would have saved up the money and bought the CF tank first along with a compressor. then if i wanted a hand pump for backup purposes i would buy that too. But after the compressor, you really have no need for a pump unless your compressor breaks down in a really bad way and it will be weeks before you get it running again. But to be honest, i havent’ touched my pump in years. CF + compress= awesomeness…lol
If you’ve never filled from a Tank and have only pumped your guns, you trully have no idea what you are missing. And YES, i know a CF is in your future as you’ve said but PUMPING is……..phweeeew………..tedious WORK!
And believe me, HEAT and FRICTION are the killers of orings. Gotta rest that pump for a while then continue pumping. But like someone said, that pumping regardless of how you do it, MAKES YOU TOO TIRED TO SHOOT ACCURATELY after pumping that long. Just sayin………..
Lol 😆 😆 Don’t forget ur divers silicone lube. Don’t want any issues now do we, be generous now will u.. 🙂 😀
Regards,
Roachcreek
You watch your o ring now…. 😛
There is only one thing that I will pump on that hard. 😛
Regards,
Roachcreek
Bought Condor package pump included so I was “SET”
Got tired of waiting for pump to cool and bought 3000 psi scuba tank. “set”
Wanted more fills to 3000 psi so I bought the shoebox compressor “set”
I wanted quicker 3000 psi fills so I bought the carbon fiber tank to go with compressor! Now I really am “SET”
I really really hope I am set now! lmao
😆 Yeah, we’ve all pretty much been down the same route col’ I started off with a Hills pump. It works fine, but after 20 mins of pumping, you’re no good to shoot for another 30 mins until your heart rate/ muscles have calmed down again. Bottled air is the way to go… 😉
Haha 🙂 I’ll try it. Although I rather just buy I cf tank. That’s in the future
As\crow’ says, lock your arms and let your fat Yank ass do the work…. 😉 😆
yah…. i try to not let it get below 2100 but i got a new condor tank and i had to fill from 0 to 3000….. ill try ur method out see if its easier, my old method is just using my arms makes them tired….. yah i guess ill start letting it cool wont have to take it apart as much….
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oh ill also get the shoebox compressor eventually cause i live in california but theres not a scuba shop around……weird huh??