Cricket shot strings?
Has anyone done any chrony testing with the new Crickets? What FPS are you guys getting “out of the box”.
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It’s me again…. 😳
I have just finished rechronoing my Cricket. This is after some 6 months of use and after several thousand pellets. I have done minor hammerspring adjustments along the way, – but so far I’m happy with the below.
The out of box string has been shown in red as in a previous post for comparison purposes. – while my latest string is shown in green. I have been shooting from a fill of approx. 220 bar and down to approx. 90 bar:
The Cricket regulator seems to deliver very stable results over time. We’re talking about an extreme spread of some 6 ft/lbs which still is too much, – but not hopeless. In theoretical (Chairgun) terms a 6 ft/lbs drop in velocity (from 860 to 854) will result in a drop in POI of less than 1/10 of an inch at 55yds given a 18.1 grs pellet……
You may also notice that I get some 8 more shots from a fill of 220-90 bar than from a 200-100 bar……..
Trying to adjust power by rotating the hammerspring inwards will not give you much difference. It seems my Cricket “peaks” at some 880 fps with the current HSP, – but it will give a lot fewer shots and a higher extreme spread between shots at that speed level……..
That said, 860 fps is for many the optimum speed for JSB 18.1 for accuracy purposes…….
And running her at 880 fps may not be a smart move in the long run. You may break something……
Cheers again 😀
Trygve
Hi Steve, – and welcome onboard…… 😀
1. What issues are you talking about ????
2. And of course there are problems with the fill probe. The question is how did you solve it ???
3. With what kind of pellet, at what distance and at what velociity ???? Your statement does not give us much unless you tell us how you did it…. 😉
That said, I don’t doubt you for a second. I just want facts to be open and transparent to everybody……. 😀
Cheers from Trygve in Oslo 😀
Hello Everyone,
Steve from Top Gun Air Guns. I am the new guy at Top Gun trying to help with marketing Top Gun products. There is a lot going on and we will be launching a new website sometime in January. YES, the Crickets will be added to the website. We are in the process of testing and shipping Crickets so things are going to be a bit hectic before Christmas. Our desire would be to fill all orders well ahead of the holiday.
There have been some interesting “Issues” with the new Cricket, but they have all been resolved. There is NO problem with the fill probe. One can order from several different sources. I like dealing with Joe and most of you know him.
The quality of the guns we received are EXCELLENT. One that we tested grouped at .228 CTC. I have to get back to work and will try to keep up with questions people are asking. Please contact me directly if you have questions that need immediate attention.
Happy Holidays!!!
Steve
JR
Sounds good, – but what exactly does this mean ? Do the guys at TopGun actually fit a properly sealing Foster male coupling to the fillprobe before shipping the gun out, – or have they made a new probe ? Or…???
Cheers from me in Oslo eagerly waiting for more reports/information on your own Cricket experiences…. 😀
From what I got out of it after speaking with top-gun they have the foster fitting that will seal the fill probe 🙂 there still is no new fill probe 🙁 ,But as long as we can fill up our rifles when we receive them thats all that matters i guess. The wait is finally almost over Zoco. It has been a long,long wait, not as long as the R3 ( 1yr and counting). but im sure waiting for the Edgun will be worth it. The cricket will keep me entertained for a while 😀
Robert,
From the other BIG Zoco topic:
ED later confirmed this volume of 280 cc for the Cricket. I suppose the CZ-made ones are the same… 😉
The Matador R3 reservoir is 289 cc…….
This is not an exact science (at least not with the equipment I have.. 😳 ), – but all indications point in the same direction. There’s no doubt that the R3 outmanouvers the Crickets when it comes to air efficiency…… 😉
And yes, – I am curious too…….. 😀
Trygve
Idd Zoco, good translation 🙂
And yes, Matador is more efficient with air.. 🙂 But I know Robert already a bit and he want hard data on paper 😀
But as Zoco said, it’s just not too exact enough to read from your gauche.. that’s why I haven’t done it already 🙁
Zoco, can you fill the Cricket to 300 bar and shoot down to 200 bar? I can bet on that you’ll have maybe halve the shots you have from 200 to 100.
Hi Kazzz,
BUT in almost every graph from endothilium the pressure drops in a straight line.
That’s the same with my own R3.
For me it is hard to imagine that that suddenly changes above 200 bar.
I think for an good regulated pcp it will be straigt above 200 also…
But: like you said, I need more data.
If anyone does a shotstring and write down the tube pressure after each shot we all wil know.
Robert
I am sure Kazzz can translate this for us, – but I think it says volume of reservoir 280 cc (he is referring to the manual or “Boekje”” in Dutch). He also says how easy it is to adjust power via the screw at the back of the breechblock….. 😉
😀
ED later confirmed this volume of 280 cc for the Cricket. I suppose the CZ-made ones are the same… 😉
The Matador R3 reservoir is 289 cc…….
This is not an exact science (at least not with the equipment I have.. 😳 ), – but all indications point in the same direction. There’s no doubt that the R3 outmanouvers the Crickets when it comes to air efficiency…… 😉
And yes, – I am curious too…….. 😀
Trygve
Idd Zoco, good translation 🙂
And yes, Matador is more efficient with air.. 🙂 But I know Robert already a bit and he want hard data on paper 😀
But as Zoco said, it’s just not too exact enough to read from your gauche.. that’s why I haven’t done it already 🙁
Zoco, can you fill the Cricket to 300 bar and shoot down to 200 bar? I can bet on that you’ll have maybe halve the shots you have from 200 to 100.
JR
Sounds good, – but what exactly does this mean ? Do the guys at TopGun actually fit a properly sealing Foster male coupling to the fillprobe before shipping the gun out, – or have they made a new probe ? Or…???
Cheers from me in Oslo eagerly waiting for more reports/information on your own Cricket experiences…. 😀
7.5 to be exact. We just replaced the cut springs with the full-sized ones.
This is information from the guys that received and sell the first batch of Crickets in the States.
I am like a kid at christmas waiting for my cricket as well.
JR
Me too.
Yes, you are right 7 Joules…they have to adjust and test each rifle. which is a good thing! They are also helping with the probe situation
I am like a kid at christmas waiting for my cricket as well.
JR
I heard they come set at 7 joules easily modified with hammer spring that is why top-gun hasn’t got their shipments out yet. I was told they will ship out on monday I’m so excited . I’m having trouble sleeping again as I did while waiting for edgun. No other rifles make me lose sleep only bull pups why is that? I’ll also post shot strings and pics later this week. 😉 😉
What I need is the size of the air cilinder and a shotstring shot with the filling probe atached. The air gauge is more precise, I think “the green zone” is not that accurate. (no offence! my ed shows 15 bar diverence…)
My ed (standart .22) uses about 10cc of air / Joule.
To calculate the same for the Cricket I need the size of the air cillinder and a shotstring like endothelium:
http://www.talonairgun.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=22808
I’m just curious…
Thanks!
Robert
Hi Robert,
Unfortunately none of my gauges have been certified or calibrated, – so I don’t know how accurate they are. What I do know is that mostly all of my fillkits show different from most of my guns. And even if the gun gauges were properly set, – their scales are so small ( as are the scales of fillkits) that 100% accurate readings may not be possible (nor repeatable for that matter)…….. 😥
As for the reservoir size of the Cricket, – here from the comparison thread:
I am sure Kazzz can translate this for us, – but I think it says volume of reservoir 280 cc (he is referring to the manual or “Boekje”” in Dutch). He also says how easy it is to adjust power via the screw at the back of the breechblock….. 😉
😀
ED later confirmed this volume of 280 cc for the Cricket. I suppose the CZ-made ones are the same… 😉
The Matador R3 reservoir is 289 cc…….
This is not an exact science (at least not with the equipment I have.. 😳 ), – but all indications point in the same direction. There’s no doubt that the R3 outmanouvers the Crickets when it comes to air efficiency…… 😉
And yes, – I am curious too…….. 😀
Trygve
Hi zocoloco,
What I need is the size of the air cilinder and a shotstring shot with the filling probe atached. The air gauge is more precise, I think “the green zone” is not that accurate. (no offence! my ed shows 15 bar diverence…)
My ed (standart .22) uses about 10cc of air / Joule.
To calculate the same for the Cricket I need the size of the air cillinder and a shotstring like endothelium:
http://www.talonairgun.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=22808
I’m just curious…
Thanks!
Robert
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That is a good looking string!