Assembly / Disassembly Instructions
I know they’re here somewhere but the search feature isn’t exactly the best on this forum…anyone have the video/instructions for assembly/disassembly of a talon/condor saved somewhere?
I need to get the safety reinstalled and I can’t seem to remember for the life of me where it connects.
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Thank you Charlie. Between your step by step instruction and the previous image that was posted, I’ll try my best to get this thing finished up.
As for the rest of your post…
I have multiple reasons for wanting the safety installed.
#1 – to keep the gun stock.
#2 – so there are no parts floating around to get lost as the gun will be worth more to the next owner if the safety is there.(if the new owner is not experienced with the AF line)
#3 – I use it to teach her that a gun is never truly safe…
I have an 11 year old daughter that likes to “hunt” with me. (she’ll be 12 in December) and she will take the NY hunters safety course then. She’ll pass it easily as I am a bit of a “safety” freak. I have 5 precious children and I never want to see any of them hurt. When we walk through the woods, I carry the gun. As we make our way there, I go over the “rules” and I make sure she understands them. By the time her hands hit the air rifle, it’s already set in place, pointed at the game and ready for her to take aim, click the safety off and fire. We have a great time, even if we don’t see anything that we can take. She sits and watches hunting shows with me and she loves it when I pull out the iPhone and take a video of her. She takes her time and acts like she’s on one of the shows.
Thanks for the info and input!
Ok mischef I’ll try to take a shot at this only because it seems you might be a little weak in mechanical expertise. Make sure the gun is empty and not cocked. Sorry I just had to say that. It gets better, I promise. This is from memory as my gun has a maddog stock on it and you can’t see the pins in the side. With the trigger group cover plate off and the gun upside down looking in. Find the slot in the frame the toggle goes through, and it will be the pin hole that is not in line with the three that the trigger, the sear, and the hammer release use. Now look at the toggle and it’s hole. The toggle goes down partially through the frame and the other part fits in the safety slide notch. The toggle protrudes up into the hammer path through a small slot in the frame. It’s what moves the safety slide to the safe position when you cock the airgun. In the case of my gun maybe because of tolerance stackups or design the toggle got out of the notch and was bound up off to the side of the safety slide so removeing it was the first thing I did to try and fix the extremely hard cocking motion my gun had that it came with, I’m not sure if the toggle was out of position at first or not. The only thing I left out is which end goes up toward the hammer, you will need to figgure that out by fitting it in the slot and looking at the notch in the safety slide. I can’t remembe if one end of the toggle is longer than the other. It will have to swing below the opening the hammer slides in to clear the hammer and set the safety slide.
Ok I can’t stand it, t’s none of my business but why would you want beginners playing with a 600.00 gun? Whats wrong with what most kids started with, a red ryder bb gun, it does have a safety. One of my favorite pictures is of my son at 5 holding his bb gun beside my old 63 jeep truck in the woods hunting with me. I’m probably missing something here. Do you teach them to pull the trigger on a cocked gun to see if it works? I’m trying to be nice but have you considered the NRA hunter safety program? I took my son when he was 14 to one of the classes that are required in Tx. for youngsters to be able to hunt by themselves but even for me it was interesting and i’m sure he learned something I would not have thought to teach him.
One more thing, I have only just started fooling with the condor but I quicky realized it was nothing like a firearm and I have been around a lot of firearms. It is really different and I’m not sure I will ever carry it in the woods. I respect pain and don’t like wounded animals of any kind. I kinda learned that 60 years ago with my 22cal benjamin. Also this gun is NOT like a firearm in that it can’t be uncocked so it probably should have never had a safety put in it and we wouldn’t be concerned with the one it comes with. Remember never put you finger on any trigger till you have aquired a target and know what is behind it.
Thank you sir! !
MISCHIEF,
The problem I have when putting it together is getting the forward end of the push wire to stay in plscei.n front of the skinny spring. That tiny (skinny) horizontal spring is supposed to hold the wire push rod from flopping forwards.d aft. The forward end of the link needs to push against a solid portion of the safety slide.
IT’S A SLOPPY DESIGN ❗ The trigger gard is the final piece to the puzzle that holds it all together.
The safety release rod (wire) actually keeps the tiny spring from falling out the bottom when the rifle is uprighted.
Here is a good view but I didn’t try this fix.
Not to further confuse the issue, I fully understand your concern to not confuse the children. However, I know of 3 variations now of the AF safety. That alone should alert you to a defecency that many of us have avoided or corrected by disabling the mechanism as provided by AF, and employing a proceedure that is fully at the control of the user.
I can only find one picture that shows I believe the second safety configuration that happens to be what my two Condors came with.
My TT AAA .25 works fine so far but at the first sign of a problem, I will totally disable the problematic safety and use the user recommended SAFE proceedure instead.
I believe that’s the same or very similar to the second or third post in this thread. I just can’t seem to figure out where the safety actually slides in there. When I put it between the very small spring and the safety guide and I button everything up, it’s floppy and doesn’t work. I just can’t wrap my head around this one. Thanks for the help!!!!!
Do those guns fire on occasion when the safety is used?
I’ve ben trying to bring this thread back to its origin of getting some instruction as to how to install my safety, so, to stick with that, I’ll just simply say nothing.
mischief,
Not to further confuse the issue, I fully understand your concern to not confuse the children. However, I know of 3 variations now of the AF safety. That alone should alert you to a defecency that many of us have avoided or corrected by disabling the mechanism as provided by AF, and employing a proceedure that is fully at the control of the user.
I can only find one picture that shows I believe the second safety configuration that happens to be what my two Condors came with.
My TT AAA .25 works fine so far but at the first sign of a problem, I will totally disable the problematic safety and use the user recommended SAFE proceedure instead.
Do those guns fire on occasion when the safety is used?
Lurker, I appreciate that.
I’m not being ignorant of what they are saying…that’s why, in a previous post, I stated that I got my 257 back together without the safety in it. That is my gun and my gun only. The 22 my son and daughter shoot and I like to use the 22 as a tool to teach them before they start using the 22 or 223. They know the rules, especially rule #1…treat every gun as if it was loaded. They know to keep the muzzle pointed in the proper direction, etc, etc. The 22 is in perfect condition and is as it was new, and I’d like to keep it that way, in case I sell it. I don’t want to have to fumble with it at the last minute, getting the safety back in for the next owner, nor am I going to lay that burden on them if they choose to have it in.
I just need to know where this darn thing goes and how to install it correctly. That’s all. If you can help me great. If not, no problem, I understand. As I stated previously, when I get a chance, I’ll call AF and see what instruction they can give me.
Mischief,
I considered your comparison to a PB high power rifle to be a bit sarcastic. There seems to me to be a big difference in basic design and operation.
No hard feelings, good luck with whatever you choose to accept for an answer. To bad you didn’t hear what you wanted to from the experts here. Not that I have their knowledge or experience but I have learned to not offhand reject their advice as I am still learning.
So, do you have a safety on your slingshot too 🙄
What didn’t I understand? OR
What don’t you guys understand?
First off, please remember that as we all type and read, there is no “tone” or “inflection” in text, emails or anything of the like. I’m just simply trying to find out where the safety switch connects or gets placed inside of the action/grip housing/whatever you want to call it. I was given a link to a diagram of the parts yet I can’t seem to get any pressure on the safety bar to keep it in place.
Maybe no one actually knows and that would be fine too. As I said previously, I’ll call AF and see if they can help. You guys have always been there in the past and I know this is the place to go for info on just about any AF question or concern…just not this one, I guess. No biggie, it’s all good.
Lurker – I consider that a very poor comparison and a sarcastic one at that. Didn’t mama ever teach you…if you don’t have anything nice to say….
OK mischief, you didn’t understand so you changed the subject. Typical of debate 101.
So, do you have a safety on your slingshot too 🙄
Do you all remove the safety mechanisms from your 30-06’s, 7mm’s, 243’s, 12 gauges…etc? I completely understand the principal you are speaking of, however, if I’m walking through the woods and I want my weapon ready, it will have a projectile in it, cocked and ready to go…with safety on. This is not a priority as I have a few AF rifles and a 257 project going on, along with reloading and swaging for powder burners. When I get the chance, I’ll call AF ad see if they can help me.
For the rest of you who have the urge to post the same thing everyone else has, please don’t bother. I completely understand that there are people here that are fine with walking into the woods and having to take the time to cock/ready their weapon when a target presents itself OR walk around with it “hot”…I choose not too and I choose to use this low power weapon as a tool to teach my children what they will need to do with a rifle of more power.
Thanks to some of the earlier posters who gave me some guidance, or at least tried to help.
Look at it this way
If you want to use the safety the gun will be loaded and the hammer is cocked ready to fire…. that is not safe
What is safe is uncocking the gun where the gun has no chance of firing.
Just teach the user to point the muzzle toward the ground and uncock the gun.
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Sorry mischef. You have some good points but one thing I noticed as I read the later posts my description of the repair is for the latest version which looks nothing like the parts here so disregard if it is a older version. On my version the safety still works it’s just not automatic when the gun is cocked, it’s more like a firearm.
Good luck but one thing you can do is print what the others say about the safety you have and tell a new buyer that it is better the way it is as experienced people have told you. If it fails only once it will be to many times. I wold rather be sure a gun fires when you only pull the trigger not also it fires sometimes when you let the safety off.
good luck