STOP/ROT
I got in a hurry several times and short stroked the hammer cocking 😳
On at least 2 occasions it resulted in feeding a second pellet into the breech. The 2nd pellet takes more effort to close the breech. So the manual says go abead and shoot in a safe direction. I did it once while using the chronograph and got slightly less than 1/2 the normal velocity.
Actually there is a work around and you will know when you need to do it because the first indication of having short stroked the loading will be when you pull the trigger and find it doesn’t fire. If you re-cock at that point you will feed the 2nd pellet into the barrel.
To avoid feeding a second pellet simply slide the STOP/ROT Slide to the STOP position and THEN re-cycle the cocking mechanism. This time fully pull the mechanism the full length of the slot. The hammer will cock and the magazine is prevented from ROTating another pellet to be chambered. After the shot you will need to return the STOP/ROTate slide back to ROT.
OK, so I’m a dummy but eventually I catch on :butkick:
PS: I know that I’m not the only dummy :rofl:
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Keyser, you are a bullpup tuner 2. Please share some videos to build your authority.
I am also interested in STOP/ROT thing. Keyser, Ernest, any ideas?
Man, I don’t mean to cause you harm or indigestion…. Yes, It wasn’t his term that I used… my bad. At the end of the day, I’d still like to have that feature. Do you have any potential solution? I’d sure be open to suggestion. Is is possible to purchase that breech with the feature in it, or would modified mag’s work? I love the Vulcan, (mainly because I’m a lefty), but the crickets sure are easier to operate except for that side lever digging into my cheek when I mount the gun and follow up shots require a total dismount/remount… This is only an issue in a field hunting situation. On the bench or tripod, it’s no big deal.
Again, I did not intend to insult or offend you. You, your posts and commentary have helped my addiction greatly! :8:
I am on every english forum and I have seen the ROT feature explained several times. I have never seen “my gun is a single shot” without help given to the OP. So your “stupid yanks” comment was a misrepresentation. Ernest has sent me a lot of customers over the last 6 months. As his backlog grew he sent me more and more Vulcan customers. (I’ll let him tell you why he sent Vulcan customers to me). I tuned or repaired 6 vulcans in the last few months. Five of the the 6 had a ROT switch that wasn’t working. The magazine depth is the culprit. Most of the negative feedback comes from the Russian airgun forums, not the English forums, Just sayin…. :whistle:
Dang it I guess you’re right… He didn’t use the yanks term… He called you all “IDIOTS”… :rofl: :8:
Here is his email he sent me back… He did however say “Noby reads the user’s manual”… He specifically said he removed it because from lack of understanding how the rifle operated, he found it easier to remove the feature… no mention of the feature being problematic, only operators being IDIOTS…
I’m just sayin’… :whistle:
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Dear Charlie,
Thanks for the kind words.
You have the latest modification of the rifle. Updating the hammer is required.
On older versions of the rifle was a function “off the magazine”.
But!
Nobody reads the user’s manual.
A lot of people without understanding the principle of operation of this function, write on the forums that the “rifle is not serviceable,” “is a fraud and she single-shot” and so on.
I can not every idiot to explain how it works.
I found, it easier to remove the feature.
Sorry for my emotional response … and an error.
I do not speak English and write with the help of online translator.
Best regards,
Evgeny
Yeah, Evgeny simply mentioned that the feature was problematic for the users – no insults, of course. He is a smart and calm person.
The ultimate solution is to have the locking built into the magazine itself. That’s my opinion.
Wow I see where this is heading………………..He said she said….glad I’m not a dealer.
Look it was poorly designed from the start. It had nothing to do with anyone thinking it was a single shot. That is ridiculous. I know Evgeny fairly well , he would not use the term “stupid yanks”.
The reality is that the ROT switch would often stop working because the magazine which is free floated had to have its depth set correctly in order for the magazine to engage with the ROT peg.
I would have told you guys this from the start of shooter hadn’t come in so hot.
Evgeny just mentioned that the feature was problematic for the users. He listens to the market and he makes adjustements which is really rare nowadays.
I think the best solution is to make rotation blocking in the magazine. Thanks to that you will be able to even load the magazine with one chamber empty and decock. I was thinking about a toggle blutton: you push it, then the rotation is locked, you push it again and the rotation is unlocked. Just do not tell me it is impossible to built such a feature into the magazine. What is more, there can be two types of magazines available: one with the locking mechanism and one without it. How about that?
I will say though when I emalied Evengy about it, he responded with something along the lines of “stupid yanks” not reading the manual and giving his gun a “bad name” because they think it is a single shot rifle… so he took it out… That was back right after I got it. I emailed him with the S/N to ask him if I needed the new hammer/spring thing… He confirmed mine already had those mods and was “current”…
If I decock with a pellet in the barrel, I remove the magazine and let the hammer down, but I do not Lock the bolt down. That’s my “sign” to myself that a pellet is in the barrel. I simply cock and shoot that pellet, then when I recock after the shot, I put the magazine back in place… Mostly though if I am out in the field with a pellet gun, it’s back to my crickets. The Vulcan is pretty much relegated to tripod stationary starling control from my home office door that faces my Martin houses… Sparrows will not even land in my yard if that door is open… Depending on what I’m in the field for, it’s either my .22 or .25 cricket and specifically because of the lack of that STOP/ROT feature that used to be on the Vulcan. Had I known it had no way to decock and leave loaded, I wouldn’t have bought it.
I had nothing to do with it’s removal. My post was just showing support to Lurker that we all can make stupid errors regardless of experience level. Your anger is misguided, take is up with Evgeny.
I got to know that the feature was removed because it was problematic for the users. But why? It was well described in the documentation. So RTFM!
Keyser, you presented the feature (your video is misleading now, the feature is no longer there) but at the beginning of this thread you admitted that you did not know what happened. 1500$ gun was not shooting! Yeah, it is better to shoot two pellets at once rather than none. At least you know the gun works.
SaltwaterSlick, how do you deal with the lack of that feature?
You dummies really think because of that one post Evgeny removed the ROT? Hey Genius Shooter, maybe you should re-watch my Vulcan video where at this point I have shown thousands people how the ROT feature works. Read the manual? ??? Do your research before calling me out and making yourself look like a fool.
If the manufacturer would offer a retro-fit, I’d do it in a heartbeat.
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It’s all good,
I have been very vocal about this to all parties that would listen to me. Not being able to decock a loaded PCP gun is dangerous. A little trigger block does nothing if the hammer is released. A safety on a gun is a false sense of security. My finger is always more safe than any little trigger bock. Fine shotguns like Perazzi, H&H or Purdeys have double intercepting sears that must be lifted simultaneously by the trigger. This prevents AD in case the gun is dropped. With a cocked PCP gun there is nothing really preventing the sear from moving.
I for one would like to see the Vulcan evolve a little. Some things I love some things I don’t. The magazine is one of those things I don’t like. I would like to see a magazine system like the Colibri. I do not like self indexing magazines. You could then make the indexing arm move rearward with a switch that would prevent magazine indexing and allow the shooter to decock the gun. Then you could also speed load your magazine and also not worry about the depth of the spindle to accommodate JSB predator pellets.