a ? about the index bypass lever/problem solved.
or whatever it’s called. not wishing to reinvent the wheel, does anyone know if removing that piece would be detrimental to the magazine-indexing mechanism? I want to remove it and test the gun’s ability to index the magazines. I’m wanting to try anything to cure the hit-or-miss indexing issue that continues with this R3M. I have the metal magazines (4), btw.
thanks,
Darryl
PS is the indexing issue covered under warranty? Maybe I should ask Mr. Rudenko
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Yes, I’d wouldn’t grind the indexing plate unless you end up needing to use more then a .05″ thick shim.
The shim will also minimize the total amount of grinding if you need to grind.
It also will allow one more leeway for readjusting later when the breech plays in over time not knowing which way it may go.
~ ATB ~ Greg ~ thanks for post replying your results ……….. :biggrinn:
Thank you gku . a piece of soda can to .. of superglue and :8: skipping problems seem to be gone for now :8:
Ali
Here is how I fixed my friends Matador from over indexing.
I used a piece of scrap aluminum I found and sanded it down to the correct thickness then cut to fit inside of the breech wall (pic shown from Darryl’s video).
You need to figure out what thickness is required for your Matador (I used .04″ thick) and also make it tall enough so that when you employ the index bypass lever it doesn’t get hung up on it.
IIRC the max thickest you could use is about .05″, don’t go thinker or you’ll won’t be able to full cock open the bolt.
Once I found the correct size I heated up a hot melt glue stick and applied it onto the clean and grease free surface and stuck it on there.
In the future all I need to do is to lightly heat up the aluminum piece a bit if I need to remove/adjust/change it. 
Also, I’d check that tiny indexing ball bearing inside of the breech to see if it has enough tension to stop the mag from over indexing once it engages ?
~ ATB ~ Greg
Ok GKU you have me started I am going to try spacer idea and see if it will help with the skipping Thank You
Ali
There seems to be 2 indexing issues, one is under indexing and second is over indexing.
The easiest way to fix the over indexing is to add a spacer/limiter on to the inside of the breach assembly.
The other way is to grind the indexing lever off a bit, but that’s irreversible.
You might need more of it latter when it plays in overtime it could turn out and become an under indexing problem.
I’m not good at making videos, plus I’d rather go/be shooting …………. :biggrinn:
~ Greg
No my gun is skipping pellets I have been told is covered under warranty we see :butkick:
Ali, Maybe GKU will make a video of his indexing fix? :smilen: (you’re not having indexing problems, are you?)
Darryl
I see, if you do find one that’s the right size but it’s to thick you can sand the thickness down, as longs as the inner hole size fits the hex shaft well.
If it’s much larger in outer diameter compared to the O-ring size the more force will be applied to the plate.
~ Greg
I know Ernest row has fixed lot of guns with Indexing and skipping pellet problem maybe he will make us a video on how to solve our problem
Greg,
tbh I’ve scoured my tool box for such a small washer and came up zilch. My search at the nearest big box hardware store came up empty as well. I’ll drop by Fastenal to see if it has something very small I can use. My general o-ring kit doesn’t have anything that small,but I’ll keep at it. I’ve had a few ideas about a fix but have not been able to implement them as of yet. So the search will continue (once the home contractors are done, and they’ve been cramping my efforts to spend time on the gun, plus life in general punts the repair down the priority list. Today is the first time I’ve even handled the gun in quite a while, it seems.
Darryl
It already has a spring, well actually an O-ring and it adds tension to the plate to actuate the indexing bypass feature.
Did you try my suggestion that I gave you on one of your other post and add a thin washer on top of the O-ring tensioner ?
It would increase the tension on the plate (like a spring) and keep it from sagging/dropping downward when cocking.
It worked on my friends Matador that I fixed, he had the same problem when cocking the plate would drop.
it is and was a very simple fix ……….
On the other hand some others have the opposite effect of the mags over indexing and they have been grinding off a bit of the lever plate.
Just changing out the O-ring to a smaller one and or backing out the hex screw a little has the same effect as grinding the lever in some cases I’ve worked on …….
~ Greg
I can say positively that the pusher arm drops away from contacting the magazine when the bolt is pulled back. This happens several times per magazine. This even happens when the breech is out of the gun and is turned upside down (to better see what’s going on). It’s as if it’s jumping a gear, cog, tooth or whatever one calls it instead of making good contact with the magazine during the indexing motion. I can imagine the pusher arm is just as ready to drop down out of contact as it is to make contact each time the bolt is drawn back. It doesn’t seem to matter how slowly or how quickly the bolt is yanked. I wonder if this arm might not benefit from being spring-loaded somehow in the “up” position. Maybe a small strip of spring steel screwed to the pusher’s retaining bolt? Jut thinking out loud.
Darryl
Happy New Year everyone. May the new year bring you light winds and many sub-MOA groups at mind-boggling distances.
darryl
Definitively an improvement 😀
Maybe one day, the R3 was awesome (except for the hunting trigger IMHO).
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Guys I’ve solved the indexing problem. In my test I went through 7 magazines without any failure to index the magazine. I was elated at my solution, and embarrassed at the same time. The fix was simply this: be smoother, but firm with less snappiness than I was using. It seems I had miss-remembered Ed’s video about “almost everything you wanted to know” I thought Ed was saying not to be limp-wrist-ed in cocking the gun and after a while I must have fallen in to adding more snap to my cocking motion. I now know he intended a smooth and steady motion. Works every time. So I’ve healed myself. I also sent a message to Tony Rudenko informing him that the issue was not a warranty issue after all.
sheesh! 😳 😳 😳 😳 I knew this gun was too easy to work on. I’ve worked on complex difficult PCPs in my time. How embarrassing. As Pogo once said: “I have seen the enemy and he is us (me)”
All’s well that ends well :butkick:
darryl