Why a Vulcan Bpup cal .22 is better than .25
The only reason I could think of, really, is the cost of pellets.
Anything else I missed? Please enlighten me.
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no point pushing distances, instead: aim for much smaller target!!!
if you try to push the distance, it will drive you crazy, wind effect etc. nothing to do with the gun really.
plus shotcount on .25 is low.
airguns are best optimized at .22 everybody knows that power/air usage and efficiency wise.
does it make sense?
:rofl: you watch too many youtube videos, 1 inch groups at 100yards, my ass
no Kris
target shooting at 150 yards with cal .177 does not make sense to me
neither does shooting at a microscopic dot printed on paper with a wad cutter with cal .177 at 10 meters
or to extend your premise, perhaps use a 1 angstrom projectile to shoot at a target nanometers in radius at 12 inches… just does not make sense at all.
i served and did my time in the deserts of Persian Gulf during Desert Shield and Desert Storm. I have seen real blood not youtube videos. i never tell anyone they watched too many movies. respect is earned.
target shooting??????? is .177 then. you are with the wrong calibre completely..
no point pushing distances, instead: aim for much smaller target!!!
if you try to push the distance, it will drive you crazy, wind effect etc. nothing to do with the gun really.
plus shotcount on .25 is low.
airguns are best optimized at .22 everybody knows that power/air usage and efficiency wise.
does it make sense?
:rofl: you watch too many youtube videos, 1 inch groups at 100yards, my ass
1) Cost of pellets. At today’s prices its almost $5 a tin more to shoot 25’s if you average out 350 vs 500 per tin. If your going to be doing a lot of shooting it adds up quick.
2) Easier to make a 22 quieter if you need/want stealth.
3) If most of your shooting is going to be 50 – 60 yards and closer a 22 cal shooting 31 -33 fpe is as good as a 25(wind at 10 -12 mph or less).
4) Air Air Air if you are going to be pumping or have to travel far for a fill 22 cal is the ticket.
5) The only animal I have hunted with an airgun that I would recommend a 25 over a 22 is adult raccoons. If you plan on raccoon hunting get a 25.
As far as the plastic trigger. They have been around for years without any issues. The owner/designer of Vulcan would not put an inferior trigger on his quality gun. If a plastic trigger bothers you call before ordering and make sure the one your getting has metal.
Last if I was buying a Vulcan and it was going to be my only high end airgun it would be a .25. Main reasons is resale, raccoon hunting and some of my shooting is 75 – 125 yards.
Actually, that is the range I dream about shooting with an airgun…. 75 – 150 yards.
Everything else on your list is valid, to my perspectives and situation. Though I do not necessarily hunt. Target shooting is how I enjoy my airguns.
The reasons I would choose or recommend a 22 over a 25:
1) Cost of pellets. At today’s prices its almost $5 a tin more to shoot 25’s if you average out 350 vs 500 per tin. If your going to be doing a lot of shooting it adds up quick.
2) Easier to make a 22 quieter if you need/want stealth.
3) If most of your shooting is going to be 50 – 60 yards and closer a 22 cal shooting 31 -33 fpe is as good as a 25(wind at 10 -12 mph or less).
4) Air Air Air if you are going to be pumping or have to travel far for a fill 22 cal is the ticket.
5) The only animal I have hunted with an airgun that I would recommend a 25 over a 22 is adult raccoons. If you plan on raccoon hunting get a 25.
As far as the plastic trigger. They have been around for years without any issues. The owner/designer of Vulcan would not put an inferior trigger on his quality gun. If a plastic trigger bothers you call before ordering and make sure the one your getting has metal.
Last if I was buying a Vulcan and it was going to be my only high end airgun it would be a .25. Main reasons is resale, raccoon hunting and some of my shooting is 75 – 125 yards.
It’s a known fact. I’d rather send mine off to Ernest and let him deal with it than deal with it myself. Lets just say he gives it a little TLC. Watch Ernest U-tube video going through the Vulcan and you’ll see how much he does to these guns, oh and the Vulcan he’s working on is mine. Serial # 0084
A lot of stock o rings are shit. The Kalibrgun o-rings also have terrible reputation
Z, are you telling us that the stock o-rings that come with the Vulcans from Czech are sub quality? I would not mind spending a bit more for that level of quality too.
1. noisy action
2. stiff cocking action
3. plastic trigger
would like feedback from others like yourself regarding the action noise?
All three points listed above are there, and all valid. Do I care? No. Why? Because they are overweighted by an unbelievably succsessful combination of five points listed below:
1. Power
2. Size
3. Accuracy
4. Reliability
5. Robustness
Vulcan is not a “sports gun”. Vulcan is not a “neighbour-friendly” gun. Vulcan is not a “hi-tech” gun. Its an overpriced and rare example of “things done right” in a Russian way.
Totally agree, and also:
6. Lighter that an Taipan Mutant
7. Side-cocking
8. Best looking bullpup IMO
9. The best customer service
Steel, I had Ernest tune it because he goes through everything and replaces sub quality O-rings with US made O-rings. I don’t mind spending extra as this is what I do to have a rifle to my liking.
On the day that it arrives you put it through its paces and in the end you decide that it’s just not the gun for you.
So now what???
You”re the proud ( or not so proud owner) of a gun that doesn’t quite live up to your expectations. What are your options. Well, you could send it out to be tuned by any one of a few qualified experts or you could simply resell it here in the classifieds. Sure , you’d take a hit of a couple hundred bucks but it’s not the end of the world. You can still recoup most of you investment and apply it toward your second choice. A little set back but certainly not the end all moment to your airgunning days. I hope that you can see my point…
There comes a point in any purchase decision that spending any additional time on consideration of the available information is mute. The only way to know if this gun is the right one for you is to give it a whirl. Even if it’s not. You can still be right back on the stashing away money plan with a painful but absorbable monetary hit.
Always remember to never take life too seriously. It’s not like it’s anything near permanent. 😉
Razor62, I see your point very clearly and I like your positive zen.. I need that positiveness, not only in airgunning but in life as a whole.
Buying and regretting is just like marriage and divorce. This is how and why divorce was invented. Except that, I can not marry a Vulcan, but have her honeymoonn first with Ernest before I get to enjoy the marriage.
The only way to take a bath is to get wet in water.
As far as the Vulcan is concerned… you are right. To give it a whirl and see what happens next.
Steeldreams, You need to chill a little…. Let’s say that after all of this deliberation that you make up your mind to buy the Vulcan. so you plunk down the wad of money and await the arrival of your dream rifle.
On the day that it arrives you put it through its paces and in the end you decide that it’s just not the gun for you.
So now what???
You”re the proud ( or not so proud owner) of a gun that doesn’t quite live up to your expectations. What are your options. Well, you could send it out to be tuned by any one of a few qualified experts or you could simply resell it here in the classifieds. Sure , you’d take a hit of a couple hundred bucks but it’s not the end of the world. You can still recoup most of you investment and apply it toward your second choice. A little set back but certainly not the end all moment to your airgunning days. I hope that you can see my point…
There comes a point in any purchase decision that spending any additional time on consideration of the available information is mute. The only way to know if this gun is the right one for you is to give it a whirl. Even if it’s not. You can still be right back on the stashing away money plan with a painful but absorbable monetary hit.
Always remember to never take life too seriously. It’s not like it’s anything near permanent. 😉
this is exactly one of my top issues with a gun costing that much.
Why must it need that added cost to make it better?
Ok, if out of the box it shoots 70 shots with a 210 bar fill, then that is perfectly a personal choice if the owner desires to send it for tuning so it will shoot the 74.
Otherwise, if, out of the box, brand new Vulcan is shooting just 40 shots, then there is something worthy of buyer’s remorse after the purchase.
What pellet and fps is that?
Change your avitar? I find it very distracting… :rofl:
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If you seek fun, sport and want to polish your shooting technique, go for .177. Huge count of accurate shots per fill, the only feasable calliber for “serious official competitions” (bullpup configuration is not though) as we see it here in Europe.
If you seek maximum effect on target, go for 0.25 (and that’s the end of a feasability for pneumatics, anything bigger loses to powder in all aspects imho). Best choice for hunting, but be ready to interrupt your target sessions for freaquent refills.
If you want to be stuck somewhere in between, go for .22.
Actually, I agree with kris on a lot of things. As mostly a target shooter, I am now too lazy to walk long distances in order to change targets. I am better off by decreasing the size of targets 🙂 But its a damn good feeling when you know you can smack down that thing sitting 70 yards away from you, with confidence AND with enough of power behind that confidence. Human brain is so irrational sometimes.