Dear Hoot, Question.
I need to pick your brain on your Dot scope on your Mutant, You use it for close up and short range,
I come across some things at close range, A rabbit sitting in a bush, 10 feet, a Euro dove landing 15 feet in front of my shooting bench,
I thought a dot scope might be good , Maybe a laser would be better????
If the Dot scopes are a 400 dollar starting point , I am out , I spent my big money on my scopes and guns,
What does the ozz the all knowing all seeing Hoot have to say about the Dot V/S laser money thing?
Or as a true Texan would ask. Is the dang Dot thing as good as the red line light thing, ?
Mike
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Thanks guys,
Miksatx
Is sending me a dot scope to try, Just gave it to me, Its so cool. If it does not work or I do not like it I will pass it on.
I guess now I need to give my UTG tripod , 25 and 22 Donnys PVC over the shroud LDC s To any one that wants them.
I really need to post pictures up, Whats that called CARMA ?
USA only . Sorry,
Mike
Holosun has a couple red dots that are pretty well-priced. They have a 2032 as a backup for using in the dark, but rely on a solar cell on top for primary power. Lights up pretty good with just room lighting.
That said, I am going to propose yet another idea that may work, YMMV.
The shroud of the Mutant is very glossy (assuming you are not taping any texture over it). Glossy like a mirror! So, the idea is to use some matte tape (think Scotch tape) to define a glossy line from one end of the shroud to the other end length wise. Use the reflection of the target on the shroud to help you aim by placing your shooting eye just high enough to see the reflection.
The exposed glossy area can be a wedge where the wider part is at the muzzle end, and the narrower part is at the receiver end of the shroud.
Hmmm, I will play with this idea when I get back and have a chance to implement it. Inexpensive, reversible and easy to test!
That will be very interesting to see …….. Sir. :tag:
Trigonometry will come into play yes with the 2, and the rifle at close ranges will privilege.
So with the BP configuration is in such that the check well/rest is in a high place from the barrel compared to that on a traditional long rifle.
But here on the Bullpups side of life we need to make some kind of compromise inwhich we need a scope and a red dot.
The scope for that long and steady shot beyond 30 feet or so and the red dot for that short and quick up close and personal shot within that.
I believe Manny/Nomadic Pirate had this same issue(s) ……… ?
~ Greg
Wow, that’s impressive.
That said, I am going to propose yet another idea that may work, YMMV.
The shroud of the Mutant is very glossy (assuming you are not taping any texture over it). Glossy like a mirror! So, the idea is to use some matte tape (think Scotch tape) to define a glossy line from one end of the shroud to the other end length wise. Use the reflection of the target on the shroud to help you aim by placing your shooting eye just high enough to see the reflection.
The exposed glossy area can be a wedge where the wider part is at the muzzle end, and the narrower part is at the receiver end of the shroud.
Hmmm, I will play with this idea when I get back and have a chance to implement it. Inexpensive, reversible and easy to test!
Dang ….. Mike u’re/we’re not practicing hard enough …. . 😉
~ Greg
An alternative is a DIY aiming aide on the shroud. If we are talking about 3 to 5 yards, even a red dot mounted on the rail has too much scope/sight height so that hold over/under becomes important between 3 and 5 yards.
The Mutant shroud is fat, leaving little clearance from the airtube. Several configurations are possible. One is to use a cheap 30mm snap on hair curler as the base, then add additional markings to make a DIY open sight. Whether this works or not depends a lot on the rigidity of the hair curler to keep the rear and front sights aligned. Hair curlers are cheap, it is easy to experiment. If it works, great!
If not, then some “bumps” may need to be attached to the shroud to make the “open sight”. The bumps have to be fairly low due to the limited clearance unless there is no plan to remove the shroud. I am thinking about those “3D” stickers for craft purposes. Paint them in different colors so alignment is quicker. These stickers are cheap, so if you need to remove them to work on the shroud or clean the barrel, it can be done but with the hassle of reattaching and realigning later on.
I know this sounds very hooky, but using the shroud as the sight base makes the sight height as low as possible, and that is important if the range of shooting is between 3 and 5 yards. Plus, this does not use the rail at all, so you can still mount a medium to long range scope as usual. Just an idea, ignore or discard if it is ludicrous to you.
Most of the red dots I had/have where left on all day/night till dead, 2032s are dirt cheap …… :winkn:
This BSA cheapo battery left on, last 3 days.
But my EOTech with a CR123 lithium battery lasts 600 continuous hours or close to a month.
On the other hand the Aimpoint I had left on, lasted some 30,000 hours ……… or about 3.5 years.
~ Greg
You also need to turn the red dot on, needs power.
IMO a red dots has a faster accusation then an open type sight.
Open type sight u need to align 3 things, the front to rear sight then on target.
With a red dot sight u only need to align the dot to the target.
When dealing with a twitchy pest at such a close distance, u need all the speed u can get.
~ Greg
check this out
Is this for a Mutant bullpup? If that’s the case get some open sights that attaches on the barrel (breech end) and on the end cap and shoot the gun sideways. It might seem ghetto but you’re shooting 10 yards plus if it’s a mutant short it’s light and compact enough to shoot it without being shouldered.
Sorta like this with lower mounted sights:
I bough this one for a friend to mount on the Beeman hurricane I gave him and so far seems to be strong enough for even a springer.
~ Greg
:hoot:
Ditto!
My neighbor put this on his AR-15 and it worked just fine…as long as you don’t want magnification.
A red dot has always been for close range, that why I bought a modified scope ring with a picatinny slot on top, put it on top of my scope. Move my eye an inch and I have a choice for a quick shot close or long!
Hoot:
I just want to add that there are better gun choices for close range (3 to 5 yards) shooting. A red dot is not very usable for medium or long range shooting because the dot (at least 2 MOA unless you pay top $$$ for 1 MOA EOTech ones) is too big for precise shot placement.
If the intention is to use one gun for all ranges, one option to consider is a BugBuster scope that can focus down to 3 yards. I think they still make one 3-9×32 BugBuster that has a mil-dot reticle and still focuses down to 3 yards. And that scope is inexpensive, as well.
Just a thought.
Before spending top $$$ on a red dot I’d try out a cheapo first and see how u like it Mike.
I bough this one for a friend to mount on the Beeman hurricane I gave him and so far seems to be strong enough for even a springer.
~ Greg
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Primary arms advanced micro. Best for the money IMO. And it has the battery life of aimpoint so it can stay on no turning off. Also 2 moa dot. Couldn’t justify a eotech so research led me to PA when I was in the market for a red dot to go on muzzleloader pistol… good luck with the search.