The infamous ‘Mr. Condor’….

You’re right. Gary didn’t break that gun. Tom had the gun and then took it back to Dennis broken and rather than fess up decided to create some hate and discontent.

I’ve got to pile on here although my comments have nothing to do with Airforce guns.

Mr. Gaylord often talks well above his level of understanding and I would caution anyone from accepting what he publishes as fact or reliable without competent verification.

Here’s an example: Go look on the Pyramyd website at the Sumatra rifles. Then click on the tap at the left labled articles. What you will find is a purported review of the rifle and operating instructions. It looks very professional and well done but it is a hash. Look at the pictures posted regarding how pellets should be loaded into the magazine. Looks like a good tip, right? Now look at the magazine carefully and at the picture above the magazines. Notice anything? Here’s the clues: The magazine has no spurs for the lever arm to engage and the rifle obviously has a large pin that engages the chambers to index the magazine. The lever arm obviously must engage the chambers to rotate the magazine and the indexing pin obviously must enter the back of a chamber to index the magazine. Yet this wizard of all things airgun recommends that you load the magazine from the back, forcing the pellet to a smaller dimension and leaving it flush with the back of the magazine! The lever arm may or may not work and the index pin will probably not engage. But hey, if you destroy the mechanism trying to un-jam your gun…it’s probably your fault!

I had asked Tom to do a post on folks hurting themselves by taking certain guns and modifying them to power levels their design could not handle (not Talons or Condors!). He blew that off. I assume for the same reason that he glosses over certain guns not being able to shoot worth a hoot and then applying much stricter standards to other guns. It’s a real shame too because there have been serious injuries and Tom could make a responsible statement given his exposure and (over-blown) status as an authority on airguns.

I advise everyone who reads his blog to be very careful before enacting any advice!

Wow, a gaylord bashing thread I had no part in starting, AND rob3dr of all people is the instigator…. !!

I’m sure that Mr Condor is just a name Gaylord attached to the many thousands of Condor owners who ruined their Condors from listening to “us” and there is no single person called Mr Condor.. or thats what Gaylord will say if he were asked.

That guy has so much spin I’d be surprised if he could walk straight from the dizziness he must suffer from.

My Condor shot at 600 fps with Crosman Premiers when I first got it. I hadnt done any mods and sent it back – they fixed it for free, other than the $30 it cost to send it back.

Just remember that Toms stance when told that Condors wouldn’t shoot from a 3000 psi fill, and sometimes even a 2000 psi fill and at best were in the 40 fpe range was that our chronys were broken or our tank guages were off.. So its a huge surprised that theres a new valve that fixes those problems… that dont exist

Also – baffling the Talon SS frame is unnecessary, wont quiet them down at all and will actually ruin the gun. The Trigger is “great” and while the barrel is a LW, its not as accurate as the ones in a match rifle because its “hunting grade” – Which I cant find ANYWHERE in LW’s inventory and I’ve ordered a few of them.

There are ALWAYS guys who go off half cocked and try things without understanding and fuck them up. Those guys would exist without the forums – but with the forums they at least have a safety net when they try something stupid.

How long did it take him to realize that Airhog was making shrouds for AF rifles? Well lets see… Gamebred bought one in 2004 and I’m sure they existed well before that, Gaylords article “announcing” them came in 2008…..

This is also the guy who didnt know that the AA 410… one of the most popular PCP’s came in three lengths. And like WOK said, has been telling people that Pellgun oil is fine for PCP’s – That ONE mistake is right up there with anything that “Mr Condor” has done.

Gaylord isn’t keen on forums.. Might be the fact he ran one and.. well it didn’t really work out well. The problem is there are people in air gunning WAY smarter than Gaylord and he doesn’t like it when they show him up. Shame that in spite of all his errors he still thinks and acts like he’s the authority on everything when actually he’s had his head up his ass since the 90’s.

Like when he posts some “profound” discovery, but then in the comments people post will mention something related and he has no knowledge whatsoever.

Sam,

On the old condor valve guys would put in a really heavy hammer to overcome the valve and open it. They also used a heavy spring.

Tofazfou found and installed a ligher spring into the condor valve and people started to see the light at the end of the tunnel and velocities went up!

The heavy springs and heavy hammers would pound on the bottle collar in the frame and stretch the set screw holes. Now with the new valve those old problems went away.

Gaylord talks about Mr. Condor destroying his gun with a “Heavy Brass Hammer”.

Now I never heard of Mr. Condor and hundreds of AF owners have brass hammers. But what Gaylord conveniently leaves out is the only reason a brass hammer was put in was to try and over come the faulty valve they insisted was fine.

If the valve was fine then a super heavy hammer would not have been needed to get it to open. If the correct spring was installed the guy never would have needed a super heavy hammer to get the valve to open.

Is it possible i got the “new” valve with the “old” spring?