Next – Defensive Shotty
I’m feeling nasty and am about to buy a home defense shotgun.
I’ve definately settled on a Mossberg 590 or 590A1 Special Purpose, due to ergonomics of the safety and slide release vs the 870. The 590 series has two shell extractor pins vs the 500 and the A1 steps up to metal safety button and trigger guard.
Regardless, I’m going to mount a tactical light to the magazine tube and a side saddle.
Would you go 6+1 capacity with 18.5″ barrel or 8+1 with 20″? I’m not sure if there is a magazine extension available for the 18.5″ that will still keep the magazine length shorter than the barrel.
Also… three dot sight, or the Mossberg Ghost Ring? Keep in mind, the dark.
I think the six position adjustable stock looks bad ass, but I think I’ll go with the SpeedFeed due to ergonomics of reaching the safety in a shouldered position.
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Only a 2+1 capacity, but it’s 16″ long overall. You can put that in the nightstand. Plus I have to imagine you wouldn’t need more than 2 shots, that itty bitty barrel probably has a pattern a few feet wide at 10 yards. 😀
For most of my life I too thought that a short barrel shotgun would have a large pattern but several years ago I really got into shooting trap and sporting clays. I found out two things:
1. Barrel length and shot pattern have nothing to do with each other. Its ALL in the choke.
2. The pattern a shotgun will shoot at any distance you will find in a typical home, is surprisingly small, no matter the choke. Maybe a couple inches at best. Even at a much longer distance the pattern will likely be shockingly small.
Having said that, a shotgun is still an awesome home protection weapon. Overpenetration is limited with most ammo, operation is intuitive and so is pointing it, and the wounds will be absolutely horrible. Good luck to the surgeon who tries to stitch that wound up! (if he even survives to see the operating table).
–Dan
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Are you pleased to see me or is that a 20mm sniper rifle in your pants??!! 😯
I’d rather shove one of these 20mm down me skivvies.
Yeah, that thing is illegal as all hell, unless you have a Class 3 FFL.
Yeah, but how funny would the guy mugging you with a pocket knife’s face be when you pumped that? 😀
I think wandering around with a trenchcoat and shotgun, permit or no permit, is just asking for trouble!*
*but still cool!
I thought shotguns with barrels under 18″ and OAL of less than 26″ were illegal to begin with…
They place it in the “Any Other Weapon” category because it comes from the factory with a pistol grip and is not designed to be fired from the shoulder. The definition of a shotgun is one that can be fired from the shoulder. You still need a tax stamp for the SuperShorty.
So, in all I guess it could be carried, depending on the state. In TX it would have to be totally concealed… which may be a difficult thing to do unless you’re wearing a trenchcoat or can deal with an uncomfortably large shoulder holster.
In the state of TX it is also lawful to carry a concealed and loaded weapon in your vehicle if deemed to be traveling, without a concealed permit. Traveling as in, away from home for an overnight stay. In that situation I see how it MIGHT be useful stuck under a seat. The edge would still go to a high capacity handgun IMHO.
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I thought shotguns with barrels under 18″ and OAL of less than 26″ were illegal to begin with…
They place it in the “Any Other Weapon” category because it comes from the factory with a pistol grip and is not designed to be fired from the shoulder. The definition of a shotgun is one that can be fired from the shoulder. You still need a tax stamp for the SuperShorty.
So, in all I guess it could be carried, depending on the state. In TX it would have to be totally concealed… which may be a difficult thing to do unless you’re wearing a trenchcoat or can deal with an uncomfortably large shoulder holster.
In the state of TX it is also lawful to carry a concealed and loaded weapon in your vehicle if deemed to be traveling, without a concealed permit. Traveling as in, away from home for an overnight stay. In that situation I see how it MIGHT be useful stuck under a seat. The edge would still go to a high capacity handgun IMHO.
So legal to have. The carry permit my dad just got is called a pistol permit, and is only good for pistols, so going by that the super shorty (being an AOW) wouldn’t be legal. But you could always ask a local law guy and find out for sure. 😀
Scuse my ignorance, but what is an AOW?
Here in AL it is against the law to have a short barreled shotgun UNLESS it has a pistol grip and no stock. It is then an AOW and legal to have. I think it’s a $5 federal tax for AOW’s.
So legal to have. The carry permit my dad just got is called a pistol permit, and is only good for pistols, so going by that the super shorty (being an AOW) wouldn’t be legal. But you could always ask a local law guy and find out for sure. 😀
I thought shotguns with barrels under 18″ and OAL of less than 26″ were illegal to begin with…
They place it in the “Any Other Weapon” category because it comes from the factory with a pistol grip and is not designed to be fired from the shoulder. The definition of a shotgun is one that can be fired from the shoulder. You still need a tax stamp for the SuperShorty.
So, in all I guess it could be carried, depending on the state. In TX it would have to be totally concealed… which may be a difficult thing to do unless you’re wearing a trenchcoat or can deal with an uncomfortably large shoulder holster.
In the state of TX it is also lawful to carry a concealed and loaded weapon in your vehicle if deemed to be traveling, without a concealed permit. Traveling as in, away from home for an overnight stay. In that situation I see how it MIGHT be useful stuck under a seat. The edge would still go to a high capacity handgun IMHO.
Are rifles/shotguns allowed to be carried on a concealed permit? If so, could you carry that Super Shorty, practicalities aside?
Thanks for the input Steve. Still doing the research. They’re both great shotguns with strengths and weaknesses. I may end up with whatever I find first at a great deal. I plan to check out pawn shops… possibly find a really cheap donor action or something to accentuate. 😆 Every time I go in a pawn shop here the sticker price is about equal to new price and I’ve about given up even going to them.
AT; the metal safety is a good idea, but the plastic/polymer trigger guard is surprisingly strong. It will not deform where the metal trigger guard will if hit hard enough. I know that it sounds strange, but that’s what I get from LE training people. I like your choice of the speed feed stock…I always prefer a standard stock. The klack-klack of the action has been know to send intruders running through plate glass windows to get away from the souce. The two extractors are a must…remember that this shotgun was designed for the marine corp. 590..590-A1, (with heat shield), either is good…I like 9 rounds.
Good luck and enjoy 😀
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Yep I agree with Dank
When I was 11 or 12 and lived in MD, had a friend who lived on a farm with his granny, can’t remember why, just the way it was.
Anyway, my older brother and him were in the barn, Chuck was up on a hay bail with a410 break barrel of some sort, meanwhile bro and I were across the barn settin up some cans.
Well Chuck, while loading the gun dropped it 😯
the fuckin gun slammed shut and fired a 410 shell right into his chest.
I will never forget this day, he ran into the house on to the kitchen floor, blood everywhere, telling his granny he was gonna die.
His freckin dog was crying, big old german shepperd, Teddy was his name.
My bro and I stood there, not believing what had just happened.
Granny was mopping up the flooded kitchen of blood.
Chuck lived, and as far as I no is stilll alive.
I can’t tell you guys how important that gun safety is, and yes accidents do happen.
Later-
SAW