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Combro

Ok so, I got a Combro… I am not impressed with the fact that it will not
keep track of the individual shots, and will not calculate ES, or SD. You
have to press the ready button after each shot which is a pain in the azz
but if it is guarantied to be accurate to within 1%, I guess I will just have
to deal with it….

I bought the PC interface cable thinking I could run a string and then
download it to my PC….NOPE, that is not how it works….The cable has to
be connected to the Combro and the PC while you are
shooting….Aaarrrgghhhh… Looks like I need to find a cheap Laptop, or
alot longer cable, to log the shots for review….

So anyway, my EDgun is shooting 18.1gr at an avg of 904FPS with an ES
of 8 through 13 shots.. I have no idea how to calculate the SD.. I guess if
I really want to know the SD I could use the Chrony for that….

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quote DKOwen:

Too bad you didn’t check a bit before ordering. Those are all ‘features’ of the unit fully described on the web site……hey, there’s even a simulation so you can try it out first.

I don’t think you have to reset after each shot, a jumper in the jack changes this (I think it works that way with just the cable plugged in, no laptop?).

And about the no memory part……in the day we used to write numbers down…..

All in all, it seems you’re asking it to do what it’s not designed to do (a quick check of MV and ME to stay legal), perhaps a Chrony is a better call.

Doug Owen

I plugged in the PC interface cable and Doug you were correct. I do not
have to push the button every shot anymore and it doesn’t turn off after
60 sec anymore either…That is nice…. Now I can just use a long handled
mirror to see the #’s when I shoot and I don’t have to move the gun or
get up after every shot…. With FPS program that yel01z06 provided and
the heads up on the cable from Doug, I think I like the Combor now….

And if you get an error – just remember, (ninja+yellow) = Awesomeness !

and before the formulas that ninj gave you if you put =iserror((formula from ninja)),””,(formula from ninja) when there is no data it will not display an error

ie in his it would be =iserror((c5*f3*f3)/450240),””,(c5*f3*f3),450240)

if anyone really cares 😉

if anyone wants a copy of what i already have let me know and i can e-mail it to you

The Combro I have reads within 3 fps of my Gamma Chrony.

I was annoyed by having to press the button after each shot… but when your not using a computer you have to shift positions to look after each shot anyway to see what the reading is.

I just always use my Laptop with it now and it works fine.

Or you can do as DKOwen suggested and place a small jumper (from he back of a hard drive would work I think) on two of the pins so it doesn’t change anything.

I could never be bothered with the extra features on my chrony and just let an Excell spreadsheet calculate everything after I dump the data into it so theres no change there for me.

Quick Excell tutorial,

Make some boxes with some data such as date shot, gun used, power level, pellet type, weight etc.

Make 3 Columns a few rows and columns off from the right (so you have space to add more data later – You can always cut and paste the entire thing to clean it up when finished).

First is Shot number, second Velocity and third is FPE

In the Shot number write 1, then the column below that right 2. Then click and select both boxes. There will be a little black box at the bottom right of the box you drew – drag that down and the numbers will autofill in sequence – just drag and stop where you usually shoot up too.

Any box that will contain number’s you enter should have its format changes to number – select the row/column of data, right click, select format cells and then change the category to number’s.

The velocity box is just for your own data and is left blank until you shoot..

FPE box calculates the FPE from the pellet weight you enter in another box somewhere.

“=(Pellet Weight*Velocity*Velocity)/450240”

Which in my spreadsheet is something like – =(C5*F3*F3)/450240 Just enter the right coordinates for your data. I copy that to the next row down and correct the data and then do the select, drag and drop method explained about to auto fill the other rows.

These is the other data strings I use – Just select the box you want the data to appear in and start typing, once you hit the ( it will let you select a series of boxes, just select all the velocity numbers you entered.

Average Velocity
=AVERAGE(

Standard Deviation
=STDEV(

Fastest
=MAX(

Slowest
=MIN(

Spread is just typed in and then enter coordinates of the two boxes that contain your highest and lowest velocity (from above).

Spread
=(C11)-(C12)

This is what one of my spreadsheets looks like after I enter some data. (I’m not going to go into graphing….)

quote yel01z06:

if you want to do it long hand multiply the square of the average fps by the number of shots and deduct it from the sum of the squares of all the shot velocities,then divide that number by the total amount of shots minus 1 and then take the square root of that number

I have the above formula set up in a MS Works spreadsheet if anyone is interested. If you have a recent version of Works all you need to do is enter the FPS readings manually and my spreadsheet keeps count and a running averages and several other things I added.

Not bad, I was expecting hose clamps and duct tape! 😆

quote synopsys:

quote mamcrackin:

One big plus I have to give to the Combro is that, you can shoot it
straight at the ground in pitch black darkness…No lights, defusers or any
of that other crap that usually changes in the middle of a string….

Considering I can’t get shit for readings at the range for my PBs that is a great feature!

If it weren’t for the lighting the Chrony would be great. They did introduce a led lighting system that sits on the screens… Fuck, that and the printer (writing numbers down is so last century) and i’m in close to the Oehler… 😯

Mam, how does it fit on the bull like barrel of the Ed? Did you have to rig something?

Fits great…I did have to take off my sunshade but that’s it….
Check it out…..

quote mamcrackin:

One big plus I have to give to the Combro is that, you can shoot it
straight at the ground in pitch black darkness…No lights, defusers or any
of that other crap that usually changes in the middle of a string….

Considering I can’t get shit for readings at the range for my PBs that is a great feature!

If it weren’t for the lighting the Chrony would be great. They did introduce a led lighting system that sits on the screens… Fuck, that and the printer (writing numbers down is so last century) and i’m in close to the Oehler… 😯

Mam, how does it fit on the bull like barrel of the Ed? Did you have to rig something?

One big plus I have to give to the Combro is that, you can shoot it
straight at the ground in pitch black darkness…No lights, defusers or any
of that other crap that usually changes in the middle of a string….

I’m not buying the 1% from absolute with the Combro.

I’d bet dollars to doughnuts that if you used a truly professional chrono you would get a very different reading than the Combro…

Oehler’s accuracy with their $500 chrono is around 0.5% with the timing screens at 12″ apart (which is the least accurate way of measuring with their system). With the screens at 96″ apart (best accuracy) the error will be 0.1%.

http://www.oehler-research.com/specs.html

Chrony says it is within 0.5%, which is better than the Crombro and the same as the Oehler, do I believe it… Not one bit.

http://www.shootingchrony.com/

But it is interesting that people are trusting a machine that states it is less accurate than the Shooting Chrony over the Chrony… 😕

Are we sure the pellets are going in the correct end? 😆

quote Hoot:

I bought a chrony… but have no real intent to use it extensively, so perhaps you can send me a few pictures of the Combro. It may serve my needs better than what I have.

The one I have is still in the box and I don’t know exactly what it does, but I bought it from PA, so they have some details on what it is capable of.

It is a “Shooting Chrony F1”, it does SD and ES, and several other functions too numerous to mention. It cost many hundreds of dollars and is very heavy…causing shipping expenses to soar.

I might consider a trade. I’m a simple man, with simple needs. The Combro might do what I want without the hassle of buttons, menus, and electricity….and potential of shooting myself in the eye in a moment of confusion.

Unfortunately, I’m also very greedy and self-serving.

My palm shall have to be heavily greased for this exchange, and to make up for the fact that my chrony is brand new, in the box, untouched by human hands. Yours is a heavily used model…who knows what was on your fingers when you were using it!

Hoot 😯

After seeing the package you shipped to pab, I wouldn’t dare have you
send me anything….lol 😆

I have an F1 Hoot… I actually have 2…. 1 is shot up pretty bad and the
other is shot up kinda bad….lol Both still work so I just use the Chrony
for ES and SD and the Combro for accurate FPS….
Thanks for the offer anyway…..

I bought a chrony… but have no real intent to use it extensively, so perhaps you can send me a few pictures of the Combro. It may serve my needs better than what I have.

The one I have is still in the box and I don’t know exactly what it does, but I bought it from PA, so they have some details on what it is capable of.

It is a “Shooting Chrony F1”, it does SD and ES, and several other functions too numerous to mention. It cost many hundreds of dollars and is very heavy…causing shipping expenses to soar.

I might consider a trade. I’m a simple man, with simple needs. The Combro might do what I want without the hassle of buttons, menus, and electricity….and potential of shooting myself in the eye in a moment of confusion.

Unfortunately, I’m also very greedy and self-serving.

My palm shall have to be heavily greased for this exchange, and to make up for the fact that my chrony is brand new, in the box, untouched by human hands. Yours is a heavily used model…who knows what was on your fingers when you were using it!

Hoot 😯

quote pablouk:

Mam, whats the difference in fps between the combro readings and the chronys readings??

I wonder if alot of folk out there are shooting not quite as quick as they think….. 😆

The Combro is about 20FPS lower than the Chrony….

quote yel01z06:

if you want to do it long hand multiply the square of the average fps by the number of shots and deduct it from the sum of the squares of all the shot velocities,then divide that number by the total amount of shots minus 1 and then take the square root of that number

What with the who now????
😆

Mam, whats the difference in fps between the combro readings and the chronys readings??

I wonder if alot of folk out there are shooting not quite as quick as they think….. 😆

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