.22 or .25 short or long and why
Going to order gun in the morning Tony going to call me at 9:30am to give me time to decide, is long quieter then short, which one shoots predator pellets best . When I quieten it on down will long be to long of a gun ? thanks i cant wait
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Thanks guys for the responses.
I am just thinking that .25 can be not comfortable enough while shooting from a car. There is a bigger difference in length between standard and long than standard and short.
If I like to plink from a car, would you still recommed me a long version?
BTW is there a really big difference in sound level? Hoot stated there was a difference but how big it is? Just a couple of dB?
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I might add, if shot count is a consideration, consider this…my recently received, “latest and greatest” Matador .25 long is yielding 82 shots @ 890 fps, 70 shots @ 940 fps and 63 shots @ 960 with all 6 strings under an ES of 25 fps. These results are rendered from a fill to 220 bar, usage to 110 bar. This gun has about 900 shots, through it, and regulation is factory set at 120 bar. The only other opinion I will offer is, cost of ammunition shouldn’t be a factor, wind drift and fpe are the pertinent factors…shit, I spend more for a couple rounds of drinks than a month’s supply of pellets. :18:
As others have stated the long will get you about 15-20 more shots per fill, it is quiet but not anymore accurate. The .25 in general is harder to shoot but not hard like a .338 lapua. Like all guns that recoil you need to let the gun flow, not stiffen up and make the gun jump before the pellet has left the barrel. I too love my .22 standard but my opinion differs from Vicegrip’s. I do not shoot a lot of paper, I hunt. Any paper I shoot at is purpose driven in order to know range and drop for animals I will hunt. For a hunter in my opinion the .25 is the perfect sized gun. If you plan on hunting ground squirrels, crows and pigeons at range your life will be much easier if you use the .25
If your game will be light bodied birds and squirrels at very close ranges then the .22 will work fine.
As for quiet, I have a Donny shroud for the Edgun standard .25 on the way, I will report my findings and make a video on it this week or next.
As for me. I had a 25 long before my 22 standard R3M and I wouldn’t trade it for a 25 in any size. I did not see any difference shooting in the wind shooting side by side with a 25 via 22.I shoot a lot pellets out of my truck. There is no comparison how the Standard handles there. The last test in accuracy we did between the two I had to admit that the 22 standard shot smaller group’s at 75 yards. That was hard for me to admit. Another big factor is cost of pellets. Same cost per tin comparing 350 on 25 cal. 500 in the 22. For your first PCp you can’t go wrong with the 22 standard. Another big deal to me was this. HOW much paper are going to shoot.I love to sit down and use up to 100 pellets in sitting. That gets costly with the 25. Good luck.
I drilled the vent holes at the back of the shroud to a little larger diameter and the quiet gun got even quieter. The long is a quiet gun to begin with, so don’t worry about noise. It’s a neighbor friendly gun. Due to it’s longer shroud it is inherently a quieter gun! The Long has a lot going for it.
Hoot:
It’s a shame this shroud drilling mod doesn’t seem to work with the .25 standard. I have John’s adapter paired with Neil’s moderator and the gun is still slightly too loud for backyard use.
I drilled the vent holes at the back of the shroud to a little larger diameter and the quiet gun got even quieter. The long is a quiet gun to begin with, so don’t worry about noise. It’s a neighbor friendly gun. Due to it’s longer shroud it is inherently a quieter gun! The Long has a lot going for it.
Hoot:
My Edgun Long was very quiet. Very light. Got the .25 because I wanted power, silence, distance, and a large shot count. I got it all.
The long has a bigger shroud…quieter. No additional moderator needed! It has a longer air cylinder…more shots. It has a longer barrel…more velocity/power.
Unless you need a short gun, there’s only a few inches difference. The long give you more of everything.
I also owned the Short and the Standard. In .25 caliber, I’d stick with the Long. You will get better overall performance for your buck and I seriously doubt that couple of added inches in length will even be noticeable!
That’s been my experience.
Hoot:
There is literally a plethora of information in the posts on this forum if you will do a Search on any bullpup – especially the Edguns. I have the Edgun Std .25 and Std .30 love them. The .25 is a bit on the louder side (louder than the .30 with its large muffler) which might be an issue for some and can easily be remedied if need be.
There is no accuracy difference on barrel length (Myth) with a std rifled barrel. In fact some PB bench rest types might argue shorter is more accurate. There is an air efficiency difference (psi per fps all else equal) – longer is more efficient, generally, up to a point. Figure about 50 shots for the .25 STD but like everything it depends on how it is tuned. Mine is at 915 fps with JSB Kings.
What about .25 standard vs long? Can anyone tell me the difference in shot count and accuracy? What about the noise level?
25 standard with a SWFA SS scope. Get John’s shroud cover and Donny’s LDC.
I own 88 acres like to shoot crows, they are 150 yards out or better they don’t want come much closer in , I do shoot out of my truck a lot at pigeons , also shoot squirrels up town were it needs to be quiet . I am willing to buy a shroud if i can find one, They are like hens teeth !!
Bob, that is not an easy question to answer. I have said it once before and it caused insults but there is NOT a lot of cross-over between the .22 and .25. The .25 is vastly superior for taking game when comparing it to the .22. The .22 can be slowed down but the .25 cannot. I have tuned a .22 short for my backyard. In order to quiet the gun I tuned the regulator to shoot the 13.43 pellet at 815 FPS which is just under 20 foot pounds. The gun has become very quiet and very accurate which is perfect for suburbia. With the same gun you could shoot the 18.1 at over 900 fps. I have an Edgun standard shooting the 18.1 at 930 and it is wicked accurate at long range. On the other hand the 25 cal has limited pellets that are accurate in the Edgun. I have only been able to get good groups from the H&N 30 gr and the JSB Kings. The JSB kings are the best .25 pellet in the Edgun period. These pellets like to fly at least 40 foot pounds, I mostly shoot them at 55 foot pounds. I have found the .25 is hard to tame for noise, it is going to be louder than a .22 or .177.
If you need ultra quiet get the .22 long
If your game is going to be squirrels, pigeons, crows and you might want to shoot these critters at beyond 75 yards then the .25 is the gun for you. The 50 foot pound .25 bucks wind better, it hits game harder and it is more forgiving than the .22. The .25 is really my go to caliber for pigeon on the farm because with wind and distance it will smoke a pigeon if you hit it anywhere in the upper 1/3 of it’s body. The .22 wont do the same damage. So depending on your quarry and environmental factory the .25 may be your best choice
To be honest I have not found the predator sucks past 50 yards in either gun. These pellets are not a good choice for any Edgun past 50 yards. I would abandon the predator pellet, it should not be a deciding factor they just don’t fly well.
Long vs short is an easy decision. If you are going to snipe from your car then the standard is the way to go. If you are going to shoot the gun from a hide or out in the open and shooting from a car is not an issue go with the long. I own the standard in both .22 and .25 and I am very happy with the size and feel. I find the standard to be the perfect size for picking off crows from my car.
I hope this helps and good luck with your choice.
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So let me get this straight, it’s not a matter of whether it is short or long, but how you use it. Sounds like something my wife would say. Seriously though, I think the realistic way of considering your selection is more along the lines of short, shorter, shortest. Relatively speaking, Matadors are all short and IMO shot count and efficiency is the stronger consideration, all other aspects being equal. The only Matador I shouldered, prior to my purchase, was a “short” and felt reminiscent of a pistol with a butt stock.
It’s hard to compare DB even with the proper measuring equipment. The same gun is going to vary substantially, based on your set FPE, velocity, pellet weight/type and even what portion of your “fill” the shot is taken. The report is much less, for my guns, at the high end of the fill, with the mechanical noise being as potent as the perceived muzzle report. This changes as my pressure decreases??? I’m pleased with my Matador & Marauder .25s, as it is typical that the sound of the impact is as loud as that of the gun. The only reliable info will come from those who have personal experience shooting the guns you are considering side by side, at similar settings. Perhaps the best approach is, make your choice based on the guns other attributes and then modify, per your audible needs, with aftermarket components. This then typically effects your requirements for length…Oh what a tangled web we weave… 😕