300 bar and numbers with Helium
Hi everybody!!!
I have tried with haelium in different ways, and I reach the conclusion:
It can reach a 25% more velocity than air.
What does it mean?
If you have your stock rifle, haelium gives you a 25/% more velocity.
So, if you cut the choke, change the hammer, spring, valve, you change the barrel for a barrel more “fast” etc etc etc., you will be a 25% faster that you ever been with ANY modification.
So the question:
WITH AIR: does anybody have tried with a standard condor with 300 bar?
if any of you have performed a modification, can you specify what kind of modification and the chronys with 300 bar?
Thanks.
Gustavo.
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I lost my jam! 😆 😆 😆
bananaman, bananaman he banana’s like no one can!!!
Don’t take it to personal.
We all take turns getting dog piled here.
You see all these guys have to repress what they post on all the other airgun forums and have to act like they are in Sunday school.
Poor Jerry has to repress his verbal loads on all the other airgun forums. He just happen to be reading your post when he went straight toe and lost his jam
😀
Can you repeat that?
What did Walter have to do with this I called him a troll? Well I guess you would be the authority on what I say since you’re the one saying it.
Maybe using his name just gives you more to ramble on about.
I tried being nice and speaking to you like a person but you’re a whackjob and can’t be reasoned with. You’re a sick person you know. I don’t mean sick as I just want to bla bla about stuff like you do but I mean you’re a needy sociopath. So you lurk around looking for somebody to make a mistake so you can make yourself feel better about your problems and pretend you’re vanquishing a troll yourself or something that’s probably only makes sense to you. I make an observation that instead of respecting things, people fear them and turn them into a taboo even in situations where it would be reasonable like weather balloons. You then “aha I can use that, and look he wasn’t paying attention when he hit submit on that first post” and then fire off “Oh for God’s sake, not this shit again! ” (nice manners by the way) Again? I didn’t know you knew me from somewhere, that’s interesting but I suppose if you are the authority on what I say you can “I said” things like that retroactively. Nifty super power you got there, must be just as effective as voodoo unless you don’t believe in it.
So I explain that’s not what I meant. If you were a normal person who’s purpose for buying internet access was not to go around trying to 1 up everybody you could have done what Cygnus did and just explain that despite what I see as common sense, apparently there are people here that would hurt themselves if you mention something without a disclaimer, noted. A response that addresses something and because he was reasonable, respectful, and respectable; so I respect him enough to listen to what he said.
I don’t respect you Jerry because what do you do? Go looking through every word I typed and put together some batshit crazy legal case. Well I hope being a bbs sea lawyer pays well. Hell you even go to the extent of making up a phoney degree. Most people don’t have to go around pulling out their laminated degree of <this topic> that they carry in their front pocket. In fact common sense and personal history tells me that the louder someone has to shout and the more inane non-topics they have to rely on, the more full of hot air they are. That’s what I believe you to be, you’re just a turd trying to polish itself by dulling down nearby objects.
My mistake is that I didn’t go around full of BS. I didn’t make up a fake degrees and I didn’t claim to know everything as an absolute and you see that as a weakness you can use.
You’re so full of crap Jerry, get help or Valium.
I wonder if you go around telling everybody “Hey everybody, I won’t be posting tonight because me and 20 of my friends are taking my limo to hit the clubs to get laid like I do every other night” or how about “yeah when I was in college for theoretical physics and football I was unhappy because I only scored top of my class but second in the country so the president gave me the crummy silver award of awesome. Must have been all that hard core partying” Any of this in the ballpark yet Jerry? Don’t answer, you might actually blow so hard you get an aneurysm.
I didn’t come to this site to bicker with some needy loser who has to compensate for his own real or perceived inadequacies I came because it seemed like an interesting place with reasonably intelligent people who share information with each other.
I’m sure most people aren’t entertained by two idiots in some pathetic internet argument :12: so for the last time fuck off Jerry and don’t talk to me you weirdo. You and I both know this is not about H2 or anything talked about for that matter. You’re just launching some personal vendetta against a random target because you have a social disorder and don’t know how to interact normally with people, you think life is a war against each other and whoever comes out with the most points wins something. You couldn’t even PM me with your personal grievances like I asked, you have to hijack the whole thread because it wasn’t all about you.
I see you’re following me over to another thread where I’m asking for help from whoever wants to for a project I’ve been wanting to do so you can fling crap around there too. Yeah stalking people through forums is normal behavior. I’ll make it a little easier on both of us. I’ll apply a little script that will locally block you out so you can shout to my deaf ears.
To bystanders that have to scroll through my wall of text I apologize but I knew this eager nut would read through every word of it even though most people probably just read the first paragraph of these things and scroll.
Edit: Oh yeah that works pretty well. You may be able to shout to others but my screen won’t be cluttered by you. I guess I can go carry about my business unhindered now, thanks Jerry. Good night.
Banana,
Yes I’m a troll, so is Walter. We’ve been destroying this site for thousands of posts. Walter’s not actually a very good troll as he routinely provides some salient and well thought out help or explanations based on years of experience and in-depth knowledge. Sometimes he even sends parts around and does other totally useful stuff. I’m seriously considering petitioning the troll association to consider revoking or at least suspending his membership.
I have to admit that I have from time to time slipped as well. Just the other day I provided guidance to a fellow that wanted custom slugs for his gun. Sadly, I provided said advice just like I have maybe a hundred times before and even worse; it was based on empirical results from users of certain slugs in dozens of states / countries spread across four continents (the big things countries sit on). Still, I’m not as bad as that Walter fellow!
So… sorry for being a troll. I look forward to your next post and addition to the list of things you don’t know. So far, it’s just math, chemistry, machining, casting and how to join a thread or forum; right?
I guess my reasons for my warnings comes from the fact that I have been messing with valves and high pressure air for more than 6 years now. I have experienced alot of stuff and learned alot in that period. Not only have I learned from own experience but also from others. I know of one incident where a guy followed my post and nearly blew his ear off due to a breech shattering . And of another guy who nearly shot him self when the trigger components failed due to very strong hammerspring.
I got a college degree in computers….airguns is merely a hobby
But some people regards the internet as fact and try stuff without knowing the dangers …and I guess becoming a dad and getting that much older have made me a more cautious man.
The mixup between helium and hydrogen in the start of this thread raised my alarm flag….but some people don’t know the difference. We live in a society of morons and nitwits and I don’t want it on my conscience that someone got hurt from misreading or not understanding the dangers…I like to think that is why some people take the time to post the warnings
I started in the small Modding ss valves gradually moving up in power…I have had my share of accidents and have learned from it …. I have tried to pass on the knowledge
Should I have posted my valve openly for anyone to make … I’m not sure … I hope that people attempting to make it realizes the dangers, not only from material and seeing failures, but also from the fact that’s its producing a ton of power and can potentially shot straight through walls and cause hearing damage.
Experimenting with different gasses have been done in the past, and results have been posted…should an individual try something else, sure but please inform of the dangers involved too.
So in conclusion, you can fire whatever you want to, I DONT CARE…but I reserve the right to warn against potential dangers and to tell whether its a good idea or not, if I know. Remember for every 1 active poster, there’s probably 10 times the readers
So comes back and tell us what your findings are with hydrogen, you have been warned and so has potential readers…I for one won’t be doing the experiment …not when it has already been found that helium is safe and will get you very close to what’s possible
Airguns are airguns ….IMHO let them stay that way…
Oh jeez, Jerry again. You must have posted while I was talking to CygnusX Are you a troll or really taking this personally? How about just PM me with your personal grievances and stop derailing the subject. I’m thinking you’re just into derailing forums and trying to make people mad or something… trolling in other words but I don’t know you and you apparently think you really know me so just PM.
Edit to avoid a triple post.
Cygnus seeing your videos and .pdf with no garage of my own for now, no usable machine tools, and neighbors on all sides… Well I guess plastics need love too… 🙁
My theory is that if you have the years of preparation and learning it takes to make something like H2 or Nitroglycerin then you’ll have the respect and understanding by the time you can actually put it to use on something and wouldn’t make something crude and dangerous. I’m sure I could make a lot of dangerous things, in fact there is one primary explosive that comes to mind I could make with what I have lying around right now and another that would only need an additional catalyst to accomplish but by this point I understand the dangers (and the fact that I live in an apartment building with people on all sides) and I also understand I don’t have that level of understanding in chemistry to attempt but the most rudimentary kids stuff without someone more knowledgeable watching over.
Well I guess if bringing up things outside the norm is a concern or offends others as it seems to have, I could just paste a disclaimer or better yet not say what hasn’t already been said to play it safe.
Now shall we get back on topic.
bananaman,
Your reply is nearly incoherent. You mentioned you failed to read my post but my posts are in a thread you replied to. I gave you the benefit of the doubt assuming you were posting to the topic in the thread or where that thread had digressed. If you intend to make your 8th post on a forum some random crap based on a select word and not have the courtesy to even read the freaking thread, I doubt you’ll ever contribute anything of value…despite your obvious genius.
BTW, I have a degree in Applied Science and, NO, I don’t think it belongs just to the government, what a silly ass speculation for someone who doesn’t even read the threads they comment on, much less have any familiarity with me to make. Folks here know that I generally try to stick to what I know when I post (or point out that I don’t KNOW). A lot of folks here ask me for advice because of what they know I know or they trust me to send them to someone I think actually knows the answer to their question. Very few people here (even the ones that may dislike me) would say I’m a BS artist.
So, come on here, don’t read the freaking thread and start posting some horseshit about hydrogen and airguns like it’s a area for new and valuable exploration and then get indignent. Good show.
you can power your guns with what ever you want…..a drop of nitro glycerin behind the pellet would make the ultimate diesling in an airgun, BUT the reasoning for the warnings are simple….people are dumb ! simple as that
if you go say “use hydrogen” then someone will do it….find that it works…post it on a public forum….and 100’s will follow and accidents will occur….
i know some airsoft uses propane….so does some deodorants but both is at much lower pressures…
a balloon on hydrogen is just fine….you fill it and let go, if static blows it up you will have a fireball in the sky who cares….in an airgun you will be compressing it into your gun….violently decompressing it when firing…. storing it could be dangerous if your equipment malfunctions with a leak…..can it be done sure
granted hydrogen is fuel, so as long as you got no oxygen in the mix you should be good to go…it would not meet enough oxygen to burn until its vented out of the barrel…its the every day dumb thing that worries….say someone topping off a tank that has 50% air in it with hydrogen….you do the math
oxygen however will oxidize what ever can be used as fuel = disaster
helium is safe so why use hydrogen to begin with…the best possible result would be a meager few extra fpe over a safe gas like helium
go to your local party shop, get some “ballon gas” its helium mixed with breathing air to cut cost….my .457 made about 700 fpe with balloon gas hehe
but i could care less what you drive your gun with, but please take into account the people reading the posts
Eh? Jerry, that quote was just selected because it applies to what people say all over the place, even when suggesting Hydrogen can put a high altitude weather balloon at a higher altitude than Helium. It was not targeted at that particular post but was selected because that post pretty much sums up peoples opinion of lots of things, especially hydrogen (oddly I’ve never heard it said of sodium when I explained ways it can be made and that process results in Chlorine gas and Sodium, both destructive when given the opportunity to be so.) Of course I guess it depends who you are explaining it to.
I wasn’t saying I or anybody has the proper equipment to use it or make anything of the sort(and if they did why would it be a problem?). I was not saying it was related to propane, actually I was saying the opposite and that it cannot be handled on equipment designed for propane and air. I was not saying it is wise to do outside of the lab. I was not saying it is appropriate for hunting and plinking. I was not saying chemistry in the home is even legal. If you would like I’ll even go to the extent that Chemistry and Physics studies in the home should be illegal.
This was not about starting a flame war, it was just my observation that as soon as Hydrogen is mentioned you hear it spoken of as taboo just like radioactive sources, food cooked in microwave ovens (not so much these days), and any scary sounding chemicals or processes.
In fact, when I first mentioned Hydrogen I was saying if somebody wanted to take it to the extreme of using different gases in a non practical sense. Hydrogen is the lightest and would yield the greatest theoretical results. I even gave warning that it is a tricky gas to work with and cannot be used with normal equipment… then the pitch forks and torches started coming out.
You know on some forums I make a suggestion like that and someone cracks out a calculation from 5 years ago or something interesting. I like to think people can openly develop and share non goal specific (a Farnsworth fusor for instance has no practical goal but a home fusion reactor is interesting and opens new ideas) technologies, software, techniques, etc. on an “at your own risk” basis as long as they’re responsible about it.
I suppose it’s safe to assume you’re in the, applied science is for companies and governments only crowd?
Edit: fixed incoherent paragraph
Edit again:
As a correction to what I just said, I did not give any Hydrogen safety warnings aside from mentioning Hydrogen embrittlement (which I’m sure would come up at some point in the research stages if someone had the facilities to test it) and a little basic info since I was just taking a break and looking at forums so I didn’t have time to sit and type a lot.
Jerry I never actually read your other post until now(explaining H2 will not combust without O2) so some of what I said may not apply 100%. I came back and typed my follow up after seeing Hindenburg comments come up.
I see that the quote I used wasn’t even yours. Now I’m not sure what you’re mad at me or offended about. Did I offend you somewhere else and this just set you off? You typed an awful lot and sound angry or frustrated so obviously it’s something significant.
Edit yet again: fixed innacurate second edit
HELIUM and NITROGEN is SAFE
Why is it that across the www I always hear Hydrogen being such a taboo? Problems with hydrogen can almost invariably be traced back to a mistake in the design that used compressed air or propane chemistry as their assumptions. Just say you don’t have the equipment to safely handle it; not that Hydrogen(or any other potentially dangerous chemical/technology) is “just no”. [/rant]
Oh for God’s sake, not this shit again! (Wok, isert appropriate picture of guy fighting migrane)
My posts about hydrogen handling were about esoteric NASA “airguns” and some disclaimer led satire.
Airguns are by definition not safe handling equipment for hydrogen. Other than the NASA guns, they are not intended for labratory use under strictly controlled test procedures with test directors and test engineers all working to carefully designed, vetted, leadership reviewed and approved protocols designed to avoid fucking body bags and next of kin notifications before CNN posts the name of the dead!
My posts about hydrogen are designed to get readers to do a little study and find out about combustible mixtures and self debunk some of the crap they are inclined to post as a result of ignorance and just repeating other stupid shit thinking they are putting out important safety news!
Airguns for hunting or plinking are not remotely suitable devices for using hydrogen. (Yes, I’m very aware of propane for a propellent for certain low power guns) Please don’t suggest that usage in a gun designed to be used on uncontolled ranges or in the field is only dependent on a clinical like ability to fill a tank at home….my post was a fucking joke!
Then again, what’s the worst that can happen….a big flash and the area is a little moist and dead…
HELIUM and NITROGEN is SAFE
Why is it that across the www I always hear Hydrogen being such a taboo? Problems with hydrogen can almost invariably be traced back to a mistake in the design that used compressed air or propane chemistry as their assumptions. Just say you don’t have the equipment to safely handle it; not that Hydrogen(or any other potentially dangerous chemical/technology) is “just no”. [/rant]
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*Five or so days later banana approaches and sees the fire is out but the thread is still off the rails and on its side smoking*
😯 gah!
*about face, walks away whistling*