AirForce Factory Buttstock … Better Solution
Recently, Tom Gaylord illustrated on his blog the proper stock placement on the shoulder.
http://airgun-academy.pyramydair.com/blog/2011/07/what-would-b-b-do-part-3/
Not into the shoulder … But, literally resting ON the shoulder.
Very unconventional to say the least.
Seems to me the single-point-contact of the factory stock is very lacking.
Perhaps, what is needed is an equally unconventional buttstock design.
http://www.duostock.com/
The shape of the Duostock butt profile would seem an almost perfect compliment to the AirForce tank/stock configuration.
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Naked? 🙄
WOW. Gaylord said to the gun is supposed to be shot like that LMAO!!!!!!!
If I had a dime for every AR item that is recommended for the AF rifle but then abandoned because it’s just not possible to adapt to the massive air tank people would be looking to raise my taxes. 😆
Isn’t the high hold for advancing position and firing? Usually for a semi-auto auto type rifle in close quarters combat situation?!
Not even practical for a single shot air rifle really…
Put a Gamo rifle with a stock made from dog shit in TG’s hand he would find good things to say about how stinky it was and how soft it made his skin. That’s what happens when you get paid to review airguns by a retailer.
And there is nothing demonstrated with his shirt off that could not have been done with a fucking tee shirt on. WTF man!!! 😕
It is this kind of nonsense from Gaylord that has many of us laughing at him.
From his article
” I told you back in Part 1 that I would be showing you things about the .22 caliber AirForce Talon SS that have never been seen before. Here’s one of them now. ”
😀 😀 😀 😀 😀
That is tried by just about everyone who has tried to get around the tank to scope relationship.
Gaylord says things that just are wrong and he directly caused a large problem people had with their Condors for years. People would send in their Condors because they could not shoot from a 3000 psi. He would send the gun back and tell them their gauge on their tank was wrong and it shot fine. Well he admitted the he often would just shoot a gun and could tell by how it sounded how fast it shot. He did not use a chrono! 😯
This went on for years and really damaged Airforces reputation for quality control and customer service. After he left Airforce they realized the Condor valve was a bad design and it was their valve not the customers gauge that was the problem. Once the valve was upgraded lo and behold the problems of filling the Condor disappeared and AF reputation stated to improve.
For years he recommended Pellgun oil for PCP until I pointed out that it was not silicon and dangerous to use on a PCP. He really could have gotten somebody hurt.
Gaylord has been around for years and does write some interesting things but much of what he says is good for entertainment but really has to be scrutinized for accuracy.
It is a rookie move and all of us have tried it over the years and it does not work well over any length of time.
It is not comfortable and because of the irritation it can cause bad accuracy.
Thank you for your insight.
As you can surmise … I do read much of what Tom Gaylord has written about AirForce products.
I don’t own an AirForce air rifle – yet.
But, I’m pretty much convinced a quieted Edge would be a near perfect airgun for my backyard.
Yup – all you can do is unscrew the shroud quickly.
Sure but if you want it to remain a take down rifle that stock is out of the question.
The big thing I have found with the Maddog stock on Stubby vs my Condor bare back is no matter how I hold or squeeze my Stubby 😛 the POI doesn’t change like they can bare back. It cradles the entire gun.
What would you mount on that rail, a rear bi or mono pod ?
A client sent the to me to add on it. I think he put a post on there for bench rest shooting..
It looks cool thats for sure 😀
Do not shoot the gun the way Gaylord demonstrates. It is a rookie move and all of us have tried it over the years and it does not work well over any length of time. It is not comfortable and because of the irritation it can cause bad accuracy.
Where he is placing the butt plate is on the cervical plexsus. Pressure there can cause pain and numbness into the shoulder and all the way down the arm to the fingers. That is a bad piece of advice and poor technique. Shoot a few hundred shots that way and you will see how dumb it is to put a piece of metal there over an over again over the years….
Gaylord has been the bane of AF guns users for years. He just has given out a lot of wrong advice.
Well … maybe a little more.
Both the replacement stock and the replacement butt cited place the rifle in a conventional position.
That is, the rifle butt against the front of the shoulder.
As such, the rifle is steadied by being pulled into the shoulder.
The profile of the Duostock will allow the butt of the rifle to rest ON the top or upper portion of the shoulder.
In a similar manner as illustrated by Gaylord.
The factory and Duostock butt are stabilized by laying ON the point of contact with the higher areas of the shoulder.
The butt of the rifle is being held-up or supported by the upper portion of the shoulder.
If the bottom of the Wokbutt were rotated forward toward the pistol grip … maybe about 45 degrees.
The re-oriented Wokbutt may allow the rifle to assume a more resting position on the shoulder.
If you have used a WokButt you would not have included it in your above assessment.
The WokButt is the best of both worlds. The curved plate fits around your shoulder, giving it a pulling AND resting position.
Once you have it setup to fit you, every shot is consistent due to a consistent shoulder placement which leads to a perfect cheek weld each and every time.
You cannot get that repeatability with a resting type buttpad, Ive tried.
This advertisement was NOT paid for by Wok.
WOK – where do you get the picatinny rail with sling mount that you show in the picture with your Strap On WokButt ?
What would you mount on that rail, a rear bi or mono pod ?
Well … maybe a little more.
Both the replacement stock and the replacement butt cited place the rifle in a conventional position.
That is, the rifle butt against the front of the shoulder.
As such, the rifle is steadied by being pulled into the shoulder.
The profile of the Duostock will allow the butt of the rifle to rest ON the top or upper portion of the shoulder.
In a similar manner as illustrated by Gaylord.
The factory and Duostock butt are stabilized by laying ON the point of contact with the higher areas of the shoulder.
The butt of the rifle is being held-up or supported by the upper portion of the shoulder.
If the bottom of the Wokbutt were rotated forward toward the pistol grip … maybe about 45 degrees.
The re-oriented Wokbutt may allow the rifle to assume a more resting position on the shoulder.
Enuf said 🙂
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Does anyone have a photo of how to properly hold an unmodified Condor/Talon in the standing and/or offhand position?