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Battle of the Bullpups USA Edgun -vs- Cricket, 80 yards

I got inspired by the other Battle of the Bullpups thread by Wingman and the fella Today who sold his Talon and asking what to buy. So here is my rookie Spoof of Wing’s thread. :biggrinn: Well having played with the cricket all week I was feeling it would shoot right with my Edgun and not having any real good opinion of how to respond to the question of what to buy, I thought I’d get off my arse and go shoot some paper today. I went over to the factory to set up my impromptu indoor 80 yard range for some dueling .22 airguns action. I took the .22 Edgun short version and my newly aquired .22 Cricket Compact ” Shanu’s Gun ” . I tried to keep everything fair and equal as possible. Both guns were shot out of the same tin of Edgun/JSB .22 18.1 grain pellets received from Tony. I know there are better results out there from other shooters but these are good for me on this day !!

Here is the range, you can barely see the target in my camera phone quality pictures. It is sitting on a 15″ cube wood box at the other end on the floor, below and left of that white sign on the railing of the shelf.

Edit: The groups are, the Cricket was 1.100″ ctc and 1.000 ctc, the Edgun was 1.100 ctc and .950 ctc throwing out that one oops.

I know my Edgun best so I started out with it and shot this target straight out of the guncase with no sighters !! 80 yards. I will defend the gun on that one shot that is the furtherest out on the left group as it was my second shot and most definitely me I knew it when i let it go, man that pisses you off when you are trying for groups but not enough to hoof it down there and change targets !!. These targets bullseyes are 1.5″ and this is 2 separate 10 shot groups on each target. Also the Edgun target was shot as it is pictured but I had it upside down when I wrote on it, my bad.

Here is the Cricket. I first shot it about 20 rounds and was getting less than stellar results but felt it was the scope giving the disadvantage, or better said my ability to do well with that scope, so those targets are not pictured here. I changed over to the same type of scope that my Edgun 22 short wears, a Hawke 6-24×56 and shot this target after a half a dozen sighters. The Cricket sure had a lot more time on the bench today so that helped it a bit I feel. Once again this is 2 seperate 10 shot groups on the same target. The one stray shot way low was not part of the consecutively shot 2, 10 rounds groups. It was gonna be the first shot but I need a few more clicks in the scope to get started, the next shot was close enough so I started there.

I am of the opinion both guns are equal and I will stretch this exorcise out to 100 yards next time and see if a significant difference shows up but for now I am happy with both.

To the fella who sold his talon, Sorry, not much help here, all I can say and few will argue I would think ?? Machining and Stock work on the Ed seems a bit nicer to me, Cricket’s multishot and the overall feel and handling is just a little nicer for a guy like me with size 13 ring finger type hands. Although I have never had a parts issue with my Edguns, some have, and this advantage falls to Cricket I suppose. Air consumption is the Edguns advantage as the cricket is a bit of an airhog in comparison. There is a big cricket order on it’s way so that in it’s self may be the biggest factor.

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Quite a bit of similarity as I was using a bright Milwauki LED flashlight down range on the target, I need a lot of light to shoot well. I was also using two rear bags as I like a forearm bag to give that stable three point feel. I tend to discount flyers if testing the gun and “I” cause it and not discount the flyers when I am testing me ! and I cause it. Seems fair and real. :winkn:

My small guns always feel top heavy in the bags, what were you talking about to help with this ???

Or AOA? lol

Ernest is service for WWAG and I make an exception there.

quote synopsys:

I wouldn’t trust the WWAG/TGAG service with a red rider or a sling shot let alone something as complicated as a regulated multi-shot… :angrymob:

I wouldn’t trust the WWAG/TGAG service with a red rider or a sling shot let alone something as complicated as a regulated multi-shot… :angrymob:

There is a 5% price difference in the US for the wood version of either gun. Negligible. Also, service is available third party on both guns in US. What is missing on Edgun is distributor warranty work other than complete replacement or money back. The US Edgun distributor is issue.

quote kurth:

quote RIDETOEAT:

I am of the opinion both guns are equal

Sort of…

The only differences being, price and customer service 🙂

Never throw out flyers, they are part of the group! And if you can, track all of the groups and create an average, that’s the real meat of testing, smallest, largest and the average of all groups shot once sighted in.

I shoot off a cheapo set of bags, one for the front and one for the rear. To elevate I squeeze the rear bag just below where the butt is resting, this keeps my heartbeat out of the equation. I sometimes use a smaller bag just under the butt (an elbow bag) to make elevation changes, this holds the rifle in three spots when employed.

Clamping the rifle into a rest isn’t always a good thing. The best ‘vice’ would be a custom made stock that is too stiff to flex when clamped in place, with pillars at the screws. But it’s really not necessary, what is more important is eliminating parallax for the specific distance you are shooting and having high magnification (but that is also expensive, occasionally close to the cost of the rifle).

Keep the center of gravity as low as possible when on bags (I have a PB rest that I don’t use because it’s too high). I have a bag slider attached to the front of my stock so the rifle doesn’t have the tendency to roll over and it also stabilizes it when shooting off the bags.

A consistent cheek weld and sight picture is also very important.

On top of that I place a shop light (halogen) at the target, can’t even have too much light!!!

quote Wingman NZ:

nice work… Fun isnt it? 😀

Sure it’s fun, it is why we do what we do but I can’t help packing up every time thinking what if on a couple different of fronts. These little 24″ – 26″ bull pups are a lot harder to shoot tight than a big old long rifle with a longer rest radius between the front rest and the rear bag !!!

quote kurth:

quote RIDETOEAT:

I am of the opinion both guns are equal

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If you are going to quote me lets keep it in context:

There is a lot of differences but not too much in the size of groups they shoot.

Machining and Stock work on the Ed seems a bit nicer to me, Cricket’s multishot and the overall feel and handling is just a little nicer for a guy like me with size 13 ring finger type hands. Although I have never had a parts issue with my Edguns, some have, and this advantage falls to Cricket I suppose. Air consumption is the Edguns advantage as the cricket is a bit of an air hog in comparison. There is a big cricket order on it’s way so that in it’s self may be the biggest factor.

I will add a couple more things here, I do not like not being able to get extra magazines for the Edgun at this time. I do like the ability to find an easy Multishot to single load swap if you so desire, as the Edgun in R3 mode makes a better single load platform. We will eventually be able to get Multi conversions so getting a multi, trading someone for a single load and buying the multi. later when available is desirable to some, I have both Breeches for this gun.
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Sort of…

The only differences being, price and customer service 🙂

nice work… Fun isnt it? 😀

quote RIDETOEAT:

I am of the opinion both guns are equal

Sort of…

The only differences being, price and customer service 🙂

quote Urgirlinmyjetta:

If you want true accuracy..you need to remove the human part from the equation…
The hyscore gun rest I have does just that…

http://youtu.be/9d9SXDo0Y6I

And shoot indoors in a windless environment. 1-2mph over 100 yds can equal up to an inch POI shift.

If you want true accuracy..you need to remove the human part from the equation…
The hyscore gun rest I have does just that…

I figured you guys would laugh me outta here with that shooting, I was shooting off a little caldwell rest and a sand bag, I guarantee I can do better. I could see some quivering on target but I did not take the time to really settle in and eliminate the muscle tension like I should of. I started late and felt rushed to get done and pick my wife up as she went in to the office for a couple hours. Today, I measured the groups as asked and will go up and Edit this into the original post where it should have been. But to answer the Cricket was 1.100″ ctc and 1.000 ctc, the Edgun was 1.100 ctc and .950 ctc throwing out that one oops.

I will take the lead sled next time, shoot at 100 yards and and take the time to get all I can out of both guns, also switch to (4) 5 shot groups so we can see more definition in the individual shots. They both have more to give, no doubt about it.

Doug…

quote btango05:

Good groups on both. I do a lot of chronying and I would like to add a little information to this battle if I may. I’ve done my own tuning to both the Cricket and the R3M. The Cricket has less spread than the Edgun….The standard deviation is constantly 2 or less. The Ed has a little more spread with an average standard deviation of 4. However the Ed is more air efficient than the Cricket, as in about 1.5 bar per shot compared to the Crickets 2.5-3 bar per shot(that was the rifle) since my bullpup doesn’t have a numbered gauge it’s hard for me to tell. I will post some data tomorrow to show you all what I mean.

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A bit more tweaking to your HST/Reg should tighten up Eds SD as well as Bar effeciency. Both mine average right at 2.3 fps SD and Max spread of 9-10fps over easily 100+ chrony strings with unsorted pellets. Considering the JSB 18s alone can vary as much as a full grain from lightest to heaviest in a single tin that’s great results for both Edgun and Cricket regs.

Yes, awesome post, been waiting for someone to do this kind of testing with the larger calibers (larger than 177).

What are you getting for center to center measurements of the group? Looks like it’s about 1″. Too bad you are not close enough for me to lend you my 50x Sightron, high magnification helps a lot when shooting for accuracy at distance.

Looking forward to the 100yard and farther testing!!! :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

Wow I’m impressed, what a group at 80 yards for both guns. I just got my .22 Cricket and have only shot it at 50 yards and it’s shooting 1/2″ groups, and I thought that was good.
I’d like to go further out but the snow is up to my ass!

Zonk

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