Beta testing on Big Bore Tadagger Super AiRRow
Well on vacation, built most of it up last night on a loose Talon SS frame with a trigger group out of one of Tony’s Condors, his Breech knob, Woks AR trigger guard, trigger pad & butt on a JDS 68ci bottle with a canted ETAC with a Blod Knob Big Bore valve plus a Russian Kobra holographic sight mounted on the foward rail
AND
the experimental Tadagger Big Bore conversion…
this is overall a great piece of work
right now I am using the standard Tadagger striker spring and while its moving a great deal more air volume, its actually a bit quieter than the small bore conversion with the modified Condor valve probably due to the larger bore diameter and more efficent valve.
No numbers yet, still fighting my chrony and weather but it is running bolts clear through one bag and buring them to the fletching in the second. Maybe not twice as fast as the Condor based valve but I am reasonably certain its in the 600FPS plus range
on a side note you should have seen the faces of the clerks at the local Archery joint when I inquired what the best target they had. They showed me a local manufactured 400FPS one, said nope, need something good for at least 600.
the look was priceless as were their reactions when I brought in the completed rig
“What the hell you call that thing?”
“Where did you get it”
“How much?”
and so forth…
anyways hopefully I can get up some numbers to report back with a few pix, perhaps even a couple meat shots if one of my buddies up here has a Beef cow to volunteer for testing as numbers have never meant as much to me as seeing what a projectile does on living flesh & blood
so far it looks good, no valve lock Walt, may up the spring rating tomorow
one thing for sure this has SERIOUS promise… 600FPS with a heavy cutting projectile is about as devistating as it gets in flesh & bone media short of explosive slugs
have my own creative juices flowing now 😉
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Picudo:
yeah with the standard rig moving bolts at the 400 range the trajectory does have some drop, moving those same bolts at a bit over 600, not bad at all…sighted in at 50 yards, at eighty I was getting no more than two inches drop
of course speed makes the difference
with my elderly Barnett 220# self cocker Comando the trajectory is bad, its even worse with my Swiss Wacker running boar Xbow but both are slow contrasted to what I am using currently
You will have a 3″ drop or more from 30 to 40 yards. Don’t know how much it will drop at 100 yds, but it will be A LOT!!
FPE is kinda meaningless because arrows kill by destroying blood vessels not by blunt force trauma. It will be able to kill anything in North America with the right combination of bolt and broadhead.
RS,
Did you ever have trouble fathering children due to the radation poisening of the projectiles you fired but are not telling us about? 😉
Roachcreek
80 Grit:
Going to have to agree with RC
These rigs will take down most anything in the Western Hemisphere barring possibly a Kodiak or Polar both of which have been done in by far less.
FPE means little with arrows or bolts…the English long bow had negligible FPE but was designed to break the heavy armor of mounted knights
with broadheads the organ distruction is graphic
there are equations used in archery to calculate terminal energy that introduce factors such as shaft length along with velocity and weight but the tip changes things fast, even among broadheads there is a great deal of difference in effect down range.
For example at 600 at well designed blunt will pierce and complete a total ballistic transfer inside the body cavity. Figure the tramua would be similar to a .50-70 if not better.
Broadheads will boost that, particularly if they are of the break down variety
in my reckless youth I even toyed with explosive bolts using M8 blasting caps filled with quick match and topped with a primer glued carefully in place. ran a sliding striker inside the shaft with a safety wire made of thin solder so when the field point impacted the inertia striker severed the safety wire then smacked the primer and detonated the blasting cap that was glued in place inside the shaft. Now that was hard core but totally unneeded, like I said reckless youth
always had a thing for quality shoulder fired archery 😉
Joe,
I have a more powerful valve coming, I am going to use it on a 22 and a 25 first, then maybe the Airarcher. But truethfully, I suspect that at some point you reach dimishing returns in that you have to have specaility arrows and targets.
The other problem is finding a place to hunt where it is legal.
In my state, they state in the game regs that you can use a muzzleloader during centerfire rifle season, with any propellant and any legal sight.
It is getting in the backdoor or using a loophole, even then I might have to go to court. But that is how we change the game law here in lots of incidences, thru civil disobediance.
Now if your hunting on a private game preserve, for a non game species, like hogs or fallow deer or any of the transplanted african big game, you should be legal.
I have never taken an elk with a bow, but I have had hunters who hunted out of my house in the mountains take them, and usually at 300 FPS or less, those arrows passed right thru elk chests.
We are using lighter arrows but at a higher velocity so they should do the same thing. Riversides device might be good for really big game like elephant when used with very heavy arrows or bolts. I have seen on hunting channels where hunters took elephant with lighter crossbows, so it can be done.
If I lived where you do, and wanted to hunt with it, I would be looking for game preseves that have hog hunting, and check with them about using your Airarcher.
Roachcreek
RC,
I kind of figured ours would wreck just about anything as it packs one hell of a punch even at 50 yards away.
It would be nice to be able to do the same damage at double that distance 😡
I was wondering what a larger valve like Blood’s big bore would do with TD’s airrow barrel. I wouldn’t want to mess with hammer weights and springs, etc. as the whole point of it would be to simply have one tank set up with the TD valve mod (50 yard) and another spare tank set up with the Blood valve (longer ranges???). That would be pretty 😎
Joe,
Believe me, with what you and I have, you could hunt and kill anything that walks in North America. That arrow will go thru an elk with no trouble.
Riversides device would just further the range that it could be done. A compound bow at 20 to 25 yards at 300FPS will shoot thru and elk.
Roachcreek
Even if you had a 3″ drop at 100 yards…that is great!. Do you think that extra fps will allow you to hunt large game. I ask this rhetorically because I don’t really hunt, but I am curious nonetheless.
With my TD setup say pushing 100fpe what would be the largest game that I could take humanely?
RS, you have to ruin at least one arrow putting it through a 2×4 just to see how far it will get through it 😈
On second thought better make it a 2×8 as the 2×4 will probably split and mess the test up 😎
Fucking incredible
RC:
accuracy is great, perhaps better than the regular kit due to greater range
TD made up a few bolts for it as the bbl has a slightly larger OD. material, alloy
yeah the doubled up bags are the only way to go, this rig will destroy bolts if you let it
this truly is uncharted waters in airgunning…
only thing remotely close was swivel machine’s AiRRow, had one and found it cumbersome in many respects. This is svelte by comparison
80 Grit:
Everything is different:
Barrel is of a larger diameter which meant changes in the breech.
TD suplied an extra power spring, never used it as yet.
Started with a standard Talon SS spring then a SelphB spring after which I tried a standard TD spring then finally a Blod spring with his hammer before going back to the TD hammer in combination to the Selph spring with a spacer and I still think more tinkering is justified.
was shooting and sighted in at roughly 50 yards, walked the bags out to roughly 80, lost roughly a bit over an inch in trajectory for the thirty extra yards which is great, bolts were passing most of the way through the first bag at that range as well so figure its still doing at 80 yards what the standard one does at the muzzle or there abouts anyways.
No blowout on the inserts as yet, they are holding up very well.
Overall cant be more pleased with the outcome.
I would think that the Goldtips would hold up, but my 2413’s wouldn’t last as long as a fart in a windstorm.
Your treking unknow territory here in regards to arrow construction. How is the accuracy? What are you using again for arrows?
I would think you would have to slow them down slowly, like your doing with the two targets to keep from ruining them.
Arrows or breech will be your limititing factor.
Roachcreek
I don’t know too much about arrow trajectory…but shouldn’t that thing be a laser at 100 yards travelling at those unbelievable speeds??? 😯
More questions: will the arrows hold up with that kind of pressure on them?
And is the hammer and spring the same TD supplied? Is the only thing different the valve and e tac??? Thanks.
Amazing shit right there, Riverside!!
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Thanks for the info RC and RS. I did not know that about arrows and fpe. You see, you learn something new every day 🙂