condor .25 misfire
got her the other day…scoped it up…pumped it up….took it out back to see what the condor is all about…placed a kodiak in on low power…flicked the safety…and whamoo…she fires!!!…Whoa Im thinking what did i do was the trigger caught up on something…repeat…7 more times it fires from the safety catch!!! Called PA…Nonchalantly..”Oh thats has happened a few times with the condor”…Hey man no big deal just send out a freekin powerhouse .25 with THAT kinda problem…Thank goodness it did not go to someone who just happened to take the safety off for the first time while pointing it in the wrong direction…….WTF!!! “Yea man send it back and we will send you out another one in two weeks” That’s where I’m at…..not cool..not cool at all….
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I have an 85 gram hammer and I did have the stock spring in when I posted above. Now I have the same hammer and a way heaver spring my spring now is so stiff that on 0 on the spring pre load it harder to cock or the same and my stock spring maxed out. And my trigger holds still even maxing out this spring but I did Change angles and stuff
http://talonairgun.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2216
Works like a charm!!!!
Yeah!!! Thanks benneeb0y, thats the one.
No prob! That post should be made a sticky. Cyg did some scientific research on that one. This fixed my trigger issues with a heavy hammer and no safety. I had the cock fine for 50 shots then no catch and shit like that. All the springs are in the stock spots and the cocking is way smoother than having the spring moved up. Even that began to not work for me with the heavy hammer.
I just got done working on my trigger to day. And i have ground down a bunch of metal off the hammer catch amd iv shimmed out all play i put the over travel screw in but theres no need for me to drill the frame for the pre load sence shorted the first stage down to where theres .002 +/- and then bam it fires iv cut and changed springs. And now it brakes like glass. If u were to close your eyes u wouldnt think it was an af trigger. It took a ton of time but it was so worth it. And id do it again if i had another one but i dont. Dont know what the pull is but its light enough .
http://talonairgun.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2216
Works like a charm!!!!
Yeah!!! Thanks benneeb0y, thats the one.
The real problem with the trigger group is the trigger bar itself. The bar does not have enough purchase for the sear to grab onto.
Somewhere on this forum (I couldnt find it with a quick search) is a picture showing a mod that CygnusX (I think) did to his trigger bar. It was necessary for using very heavy hammer springs, otherwise the sear would release before you pulled the trigger.
Anyway, there is a small area of metal to remove just a few thousandths will do, and the sear will stay engaged with the trigger bar when you release the safety (if you decided to keep it).
Either way, its a much safer trigger system with this small mod and trigger pull and feel is unchanged. Tens of thousands of shots with this system, and I have yet to have the rifle discharge before I pull the trigger.
Ill look some more for the pic.
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Cannot find the original post. Here are thread with trigger part pictures.
http://www.talonairgun.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9317
This one the mod is done on part #8. The interface between #5 and #8 is made slightly deeper by filing on #8.
Here http://www.talonairgun.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=154
Marcs custom parts have this modification in mind. You can see how the interface between the parts is deeper and much safer, particularly in the last pic in that thread.
Just do not grind on the polished part of this interface. You only need to make the little ledge bigger. I hope this is understood.
The first time it misfired on my the pellet struck the wall in my back yard 2″ below the top of the wall. 2″ higher and it would have gone over and struck my neighbors house. We pay good money for these guns and they should function correctly . Removing the safety was an option but I was disgusted at the cost of the gun and instantly having a safety issue, so I put it back to stock and sent it back. The only way airforce will improve the design is if airforce gets constant warranty returns for the issue.
one thing AF doesnt do is catch on quickly, many issues caused many returns over the years, think of how long it took to redesign the condor valve…and this safety has been an issue since the beginning. dont buy an AF gun if you arent prepared to get your hands dirty…
I had the same problem with my ss after about 50 shots… Sent it back and the replacement is a winner not one problem yet…
The first time it misfired on my the pellet struck the wall in my back yard 2″ below the top of the wall. 2″ higher and it would have gone over and struck my neighbors house. We pay good money for these guns and they should function correctly . Removing the safety was an option but I was disgusted at the cost of the gun and instantly having a safety issue, so I put it back to stock and sent it back. The only way airforce will improve the design is if airforce gets constant warranty returns for the issue.
you did the right thing, we wont tell AF… 😉
Hello all:
I personally went with the thought that the safety is just not safe so tonight I got rid of it.
The tools you are going to need is a set of long SAE Allen wrenches.
After studying the drawing and both of the instructions from the link I included, I inspected the rifle and visualized removing the parts as explained.
The suggestion of using tape to hold the cover plate down is a good one. Two springs can be seen if you hold the rifle upside down just in front of the trigger blade.
The screw holding the foregrip in place does not hold anything in place except the foregrip. The trigger shoe is in the way for removing the grip.
The screw that holds the trigger guard in place and the grip bolt is what holds the plate in place that you are looking to remove.
With the tank removed I propped the rifle so it was upside down on a blanket, sandwiched between two paper towel rolls so it would not get scratched.
First I removed the trigger guard screw and trigger guard and then carefully removed the grip. Carefully I lifted the plate after easing the tape off that was holding it in place. The safety bar will lift out with the plate. There are three springs that are under tension by the plate and are loose but if you are as careful as I was they will stay put providing you do not bump the rifle. Using a pair of tweezers I removed spring # 1 and # 2. Before replacing the plate I placed a small piece of high density foam on top of the safety slide just large enough to hold it in place as far forward as it would go and to keep it from rattling. I carefully replaced the plate and assembled the trigger guard first as it was the easiest way to go, then the grip. The rest of the re-assembly is pretty strait forward.
Once done I test fired the rifle and all is fine. I even cocked it and thumped it as hard as I could with my fist to test for a misfire and that test was successful as well.
I hope my additional input makes scene as it is in addition to the information contained in the link in my earlier post.
All in all it is not that difficult in my opinion.
I also saved the parts that were removed in the event I need to send the rifle to AF for warranty work, I will just have to put them back in.
Ta Ta for now.
Paul
otherwise, this forum likely wouldnt exist!
if you dont think AF is watching, think again… besides, youre almost always going to wanna mod the gun to its potential, no matter how many they send ya… 😡
I’m wondering if it would be a good idea for all of us, that have had safety failures with the Condor or other AirForce guns to put pressure on both AirForce and the companies that sell their product. Yeah, removing the safety solves the issue, sort of. But, the ability to return the guns under warranty and make the company pay is lost. All our discussions are “behind the scene”, i.e. Airforce is unaware. Rather than void the warranty (for now), I’m contacting the vendor and Airforce and returning the gun and complaining about the safety. Plus, I’m mentioning the lawsuit potential since the problem is well known and nothing has been done about it. If the distributors/vendors stop recommending the guns, due to complaints and returns (they pay for return shipping), then the lost sales may hit Airforce where any company feels it…profits. I’ll return the gun a hundred times, if I have to. Better to make the company pay. If they get swamped with gun returns, it’ll cost them. Meanwhile, new AirForce gun owners, KEEP YOUR SHIPPING BOXES! It makes returning the things a lot easier.
Whistler and All:
I have the same problem and it was a what the %?*$ the first time it happened.
The answer is right here on this site:
http://talonairgun.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=18320&highlight=safety+removal
I am going to try the technique that javasi used close to the bottom of the post. He states removing the main safety spring, the safety bar spring and the safety bar.
I am not sure when I am going to get to it but will make comment when I do.
Ta Ta for now.
Paul
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Yeah you need to do this mod. Just dremel away the pink line in this pic. The problem is the stress is on the little notch and 1 it’s too small to begin with and 2 it easily wears down. I had to get a sharpening stone on mine also to give it a nice crisp edge cause it rounded pretty good from regular use.