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Edgun FPS Change "SOLVED". Edgun Owners Read

A week or so ago, I noted how it seemed that my Edgun was changing fps from day to day. Ed suggested I clean the barrel, and I did, and that seemingly fixed the issue. But that was not the cause…

Yesterday at the range, I was tinkering with the hammer spring adjuster; trying different pellet speeds to see which speed grouped the best. I settled on a very fast speed – 940-950fps. I was shooting 20 shot groups to make sure I wasn’t just getting lucky.

So, here’s how the events played out. I adjusted the hammer sping to maximum minus one half turn. I filled my Edgun to 205 bar. I then shot 20 pellets over the chrony. The average was around 948 for 20 shots. I didn’t keep firing pellets because I was afraid I would run out before I had a chance to do all the testing I wanted.

I did this for multiple hammer spring adjustments, and noted in my log what the first 20 shots were for each hammer adjustment (one half turn increments). Each 20 shot started at 200 bar and ran to about 170 bar.

Then when I was ready to do the accuracy testing, I simply adjusted the hammer spring to each known FPS setting. (note, I could not simply do the chrony testing while I was doing the accuracy test because the range was shaded too much for the chrony to work properly). But, by the time I started with my accuracy testing, my 4500PSI tank was starting to dip below 200 bar. I was only getting fills up to 190bar. No big deal, I thought. The gun will hold the FPS to at least 140 bar.

But, there was an unknown element at play….

When I tested my gun over the chrony earlier today (filled to 194 bar – the most I could “squeeze out of my tank) it was shooting at around 930fps (down to about 135 bar, where it then dropped off steadily). That is about 20fps lower than yesterday’s chrony readings. I scratched my head, and chalked up the difference to the idea that my chrony was malfunctioning. Which reading was the “real” one, yesterday’s or today’s – I did not know.

But, this could mean that my best group may have been in the 930fps range yesterday (not 950fps). I need to know what was going on…

I was planning to figure it out at the range on Sunday. But, to do that, I would need more air. So, I went and got the 4500PSI tank refilled. I came back home, filled the gun to 204 bar and tested it again. This time the gun was shooting at 950fps right out of the gates. And it held that speed until about 170 bar, when it suddenly returned to the 930fps range. It held high 920’s until around 135 bar (like it had earlier), and then steadily dropped off again.

I was starting to see a pattern. I filled the gun back up, but only to 188 bar (not 200+). This time, the fps locked right in at 930 fps, and held there until 135-140 bar where is started to drop off.

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So, in summary:

At my current hammer spring setting (which is high), if I fill my Edgun to 200 bar or more, it seems to fire “hot” for about 20 shots, before returning to the “normal” speed at around 170 bar. But, if I fill to around 190 bar, the fps starts at 930fps and stays there until the gun pressure reaches 135-140 bar – giving me around 40 very consistent shots at around 930fps. I was able to repeat both shot strings by filling to 200 vs. 190 bar.

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So, I put this information in your hands. See if this same phenomenom happens to your Edgun. It may be specific to my gun. Or, it may be because of the high-energy setting I am using.

Whatever the answer, this seems like VERY useful information for Edgun owners.

I want to make clear that this is NOT a complaint. I simply like to understand my guns inside and out, so that I can more effectively ring every last bit of accuracy out of them. And I have opted to share what I have learned about my gun, in hopes that it could potentially help other Edgun owners.

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And of course, I welcome the thoughts of the manufacturer. 😉

Ted 🙂

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quote pablouk:

Oooooh, look at eddie and his new avatar and all……. 😆 😎 😎

Got a new gun have we?? 😀 😀 😆 😆

Yea Pab just had to change it besides I get tired of twirling that dam gun all day and I new sooner or later I was going to drop it and all you guys would be laughing

Mamcrakin wrote:

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Well then, you know, if you shave a few thousandths off of the air valve rod,
and increase the regulator by about 15bar, you can reduce the hammer
spring tension and also reduce the trigger pull tension without losing any
FPS and gain 10-14 shots… You can also deping the shroud…
Then you can polish the bolt internals that cock the hammer, and then and
then and then…

I agree completly except that I would add a few thousandths to the air valve rod, reduce the regulator by 15 bars, increase the trigger pull tension a little to gain a few fps, you might lose 10-14 shots but, who cares? My shroud don’t need depinged (I would like to get rid of the clang that shows up on my videos). I wouldn’t Polish the the bolt internals that cock the hammer, I would give them the full German treatment, and then and then and then…….

Just saying! 😆

quote Ted in Madison:

quote mamcrackin:

Well Mark, it warms the cockles of my heart to know that we might have save
you some time and frustration…. Glad to help big guy…

Not me. I do this as part of my therapy.

Well then, you know, if you shave a few thousandths off of the air valve rod,
and increase the regulator by about 15bar, you can reduce the hammer
spring tension and also reduce the trigger pull tension without losing any
FPS and gain 10-14 shots… You can also deping the shroud…
Then you can polish the bolt internals that cock the hammer, and then and
then and then,,,,,,,

quote mamcrackin:

Well Mark, it warms the cockles of my heart to know that we might have save
you some time and frustration…. Glad to help big guy…

Not me. I do this as part of my therapy.

Well Mark, it warms the cockles of my heart to know that we might have save
you some time and frustration…. Glad to help big guy…

Thanks guys, that’s why I’ve made this place my airgun home page 😀

Jeff, I believe that you are right—– Ted and I have to the “new” Walter barrel so “possibly” our sweet spot may differ from yours and Tedd’s.

I’d like to send out a BIG MAHALO! For all the time/tinkering that your guys have spent on your Edguns and posting your results here.

Mark

I agree with Jeff. I spent a lot of time looking for the sweet spot on my .22. Mine came set at 890fps. That is where I ended up at.

If Mark is happy with the way his gun is shooting, he would be better off leaving it alone. Chances are, he would spend a lot of time chasing the fps around, only to end up right back where he started.

Jeff and I had to tune our .25s. Ed set mine up to shoot heavy Einjins at 950fps. I didn’t like the way the Einjins shot. My gun shot the lighter JSB 25.4s at 1080fps IIRC and that was way too fast.

I now have mine shooting them at 955 and I am happy with it.

Jeff set his up differently as to regulator and hammer spring pressure settings and also got excellent results.

I was thinking about trying Jeff’s settings on my gun but, I am happy with my settings. Our guns might be different enough that Jeff’s settings won’t work on mine and then I would have to try to get my gun back to where it is now.

It should be a simple matter of turning everything back to where it was, it doesn’t always work out that way. At least not on my .25.

quote Ted in Madison:

Jeff, I wanted to clarify something. I wasn’t telling Mark to leave things alone because I think 905fps is the best speed for all Edguns. I only said that because his gun is shooting well, and he’s happy with it… just trying to give advice that I clearly have a difficult time following. 😆

Ed’s baseline recommendation for speed is 880-890fps. It seems to be the gold standard for most Edgun owners.

No, sorry Ted, your advice wasn’t taken that way. I have seen your
results and you definitely have your gun running really well.. So well as
a matter of fact that I would bump mine up to that speed if I hadn’t
already checked it there…… I almost didn’t post because, like you, I
would rather see Mark leave his gun the way it is…. I just wanted to
point out that, it seems the EDgun has shown great results from 880ish
to 910ish just in case he got a wild hair and just wanted to do what we
have done… I know oldgoat and I have our .25 guns shooting about
35FPS different and are both seeing great accuracy but neither one of us
found any positive results under 890 or above 950… As with all guns,
each one is an individual and ya just never know…

Jeff, I wanted to clarify something. I wasn’t telling Mark to leave things alone because I think 905fps is the best speed for all Edguns. I only said that because his gun is shooting well, and he’s happy with it… just trying to give advice that I clearly have a difficult time following. 😆

Ed’s baseline recommendation for speed is 880-890fps. It seems to be the gold standard for most Edgun owners.

Not to stir the pot but, mine arrived shooting 930’s and I dropped it to 885
before it was the most accurate… I might also add that I am pretty sure that
the barrel on mine is different that Ted and Mark’s..

Definitely leave it alone, Mark. My gun arrived shooting 920fps, and the accuracy was around .6″ at 50 yards. I knew the gun could do better (and it has)…..and that is why all the tinkering started.

Yah know Ted, I gotta stop looking at your posts 😆

After reading one of your posts, it gets my mellon going, (which is dangerous according to my wife) about adjusting my Edgun. Same again in this post. You got me thinking about turning up my fps. LUCKILY, I read the entire post before opening up my Edgun. I’ve decided to leave my Edgun right where it’s at as I’m getting 907 average——-similar to your Edgun and the groups/strings are very consistant. Accuracy is never in doubt and when I do my part, some amazing things happen 😀

Aloha,

Mark

Tedd,

That same phenomenom “sort of” occurs with my .22. I noticed the first 10 shots were a little wacky after adjusting the hammer screw. I found it was due to the spring finding its “new home”. I got around having to take 10 “warm up” shots by simply holding the trigger down and pulling the bolt back a few times. Then, I usually dry fire it once, just to be sure everything is in place.

Ted, I found that on my .25 cal if I made a hammer spring tension adjustment, I would see an immediate increase/decrease in the fps. I would shoot that fill out and refill. The refill might, or might not, have the same fps.

I never did figure out why the fps, on the next fill, was sometimes changing. It was just something that I had to check to be sure that the fps stayed where I wanted it set at. Once I got the refill shot out, the next refill would have the same fps as the fill before it.

Mamcrackin and I both noticed this. It might be something that only occures on the .25.

It has been a long time since I tuned the .22 cal. I can’t remember if it acted the same.

quote eddieirvine:

so Ted what were the results of your return to the range after easing off of the hammer spring a bit more, have you got a chance to go back out again 😯

Ed, the results were very good. At the range, I tuned the gun for 860fps, 880fps, 890fps, 905fps, 915fps, and 930fps. I shot 10 groups of 5 for each setting. The 930 and 905 tune proved the most accurate. So, I set the gun at 905 because the shot string was much tighter.

Both the “plums” and “golf tee” videos were shot at 905fps.

http://www.youtube.com/user/EdgunUSA

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