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Edgun FPS Change "SOLVED". Edgun Owners Read

A week or so ago, I noted how it seemed that my Edgun was changing fps from day to day. Ed suggested I clean the barrel, and I did, and that seemingly fixed the issue. But that was not the cause…

Yesterday at the range, I was tinkering with the hammer spring adjuster; trying different pellet speeds to see which speed grouped the best. I settled on a very fast speed – 940-950fps. I was shooting 20 shot groups to make sure I wasn’t just getting lucky.

So, here’s how the events played out. I adjusted the hammer sping to maximum minus one half turn. I filled my Edgun to 205 bar. I then shot 20 pellets over the chrony. The average was around 948 for 20 shots. I didn’t keep firing pellets because I was afraid I would run out before I had a chance to do all the testing I wanted.

I did this for multiple hammer spring adjustments, and noted in my log what the first 20 shots were for each hammer adjustment (one half turn increments). Each 20 shot started at 200 bar and ran to about 170 bar.

Then when I was ready to do the accuracy testing, I simply adjusted the hammer spring to each known FPS setting. (note, I could not simply do the chrony testing while I was doing the accuracy test because the range was shaded too much for the chrony to work properly). But, by the time I started with my accuracy testing, my 4500PSI tank was starting to dip below 200 bar. I was only getting fills up to 190bar. No big deal, I thought. The gun will hold the FPS to at least 140 bar.

But, there was an unknown element at play….

When I tested my gun over the chrony earlier today (filled to 194 bar – the most I could “squeeze out of my tank) it was shooting at around 930fps (down to about 135 bar, where it then dropped off steadily). That is about 20fps lower than yesterday’s chrony readings. I scratched my head, and chalked up the difference to the idea that my chrony was malfunctioning. Which reading was the “real” one, yesterday’s or today’s – I did not know.

But, this could mean that my best group may have been in the 930fps range yesterday (not 950fps). I need to know what was going on…

I was planning to figure it out at the range on Sunday. But, to do that, I would need more air. So, I went and got the 4500PSI tank refilled. I came back home, filled the gun to 204 bar and tested it again. This time the gun was shooting at 950fps right out of the gates. And it held that speed until about 170 bar, when it suddenly returned to the 930fps range. It held high 920’s until around 135 bar (like it had earlier), and then steadily dropped off again.

I was starting to see a pattern. I filled the gun back up, but only to 188 bar (not 200+). This time, the fps locked right in at 930 fps, and held there until 135-140 bar where is started to drop off.

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So, in summary:

At my current hammer spring setting (which is high), if I fill my Edgun to 200 bar or more, it seems to fire “hot” for about 20 shots, before returning to the “normal” speed at around 170 bar. But, if I fill to around 190 bar, the fps starts at 930fps and stays there until the gun pressure reaches 135-140 bar – giving me around 40 very consistent shots at around 930fps. I was able to repeat both shot strings by filling to 200 vs. 190 bar.

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So, I put this information in your hands. See if this same phenomenom happens to your Edgun. It may be specific to my gun. Or, it may be because of the high-energy setting I am using.

Whatever the answer, this seems like VERY useful information for Edgun owners.

I want to make clear that this is NOT a complaint. I simply like to understand my guns inside and out, so that I can more effectively ring every last bit of accuracy out of them. And I have opted to share what I have learned about my gun, in hopes that it could potentially help other Edgun owners.

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And of course, I welcome the thoughts of the manufacturer. 😉

Ted 🙂

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Oooooh, look at eddie and his new avatar and all……. 😆 😎 😎

Got a new gun have we?? 😀 😀 😆 😆

so Ted what were the results of your return to the range after easing off of the hammer spring a bit more, have you got a chance to go back out again 😯

quote Ted in Madison:

quote mamcrackin:

[We are just busting your balls Naser… Sometimes you just don’t feel like
screwing with the computer when you have a note pad in the garage…

+1 :11:

I am “not” going to negotiate & beat you up you two 😛

quote mamcrackin:

[We are just busting your balls Naser… Sometimes you just don’t feel like
screwing with the computer when you have a note pad in the garage…

+1 :11:

quote Naser404:

Guys, you really need to start making use of the technology aka Microsoft Excel 😛

We are just busting your balls Naser… Sometimes you just don’t feel like
screwing with the computer when you have a note pad in the garage…




quote Naser404:

Guys, you really need to start making use of the technology aka Microsoft Excel 😛

Ha! That would be ironic. The Edgun, at it’s very nature, is a KISS (keep it simple, stupid) gun. Why on earth would you expect its owners to perform superfluous data entry when a simple photo works just as well? 😎

quote mamcrackin:

quote Naser404:

Guys, you really need to start making use of the technology aka Microsoft Excel 😛

Is no fun lugging the desktop computer out to the field and forget about the
miles and miles of the extension cord….

I meant printing something like this & then using a pen to fill it up.

quote Naser404:

Guys, you really need to start making use of the technology aka Microsoft Excel 😛

Is no fun lugging the desktop computer out to the field and forget about the
miles and miles of the extension cord….

Guys, you really need to start making use of the technology aka Microsoft Excel 😛

Very nice post Ted I had just talked to Jeff today 9/04/10 I had shot quite a few targets at 50 and 65 yards posted the groups I was very happy with the way it was shooting! So I went out today later and shot over my Chrony and the JSB 18.1 were running at an 860 average, which is not bad at all, but I am like you lets see what we can do, after talking with Jeff on a few pm’s he said to try and adjust the hammer spring tension so I tried a quater turn saw a small difference tried another quarter turn and was right at 880 some a bit higher some a bit lower but real consistent the average was 881 so I for now left it there thinking what I have read and now just reading your post I think I am going to leave it there! It was getting late and the chickens were in my shooting lane 😯 so I set up at 30 yards and groups were under dime size so all is good! and Ed you have put together one nice Air Rifle very nice machining go into these I was a machinist for 40 years I can tell keep up the great work Eddie! oh yea you can call me Ed! and another note I didn’t shoot any of the chickens wife is happy 😆

Man I wish. I’m going to wait for your report first 😛

Bonestock, do you have one of the 6 that are in transit now? If so, we are getting close. It has been a long 2 months since I sent Tony a deposit!

I hate waiting for Edguns!

I agree. Now go do the same thing with a .25 long version so I know how to set mine when I get it.

Wow Ted! 😯

I have to say you kicked some serious ass on this testing thing! 😀

Really nice job! ❗ ❗ ❗

quote Ed:

I would recomend to decrease the speed down to 900 fps with 16 grain pellets (I haven’t seen the weight of the pellets of your shooting, take into consideration that the “normal” speed with 16 grain pellets for standard version is about 920-935 fps, thus 18 grain pellets will fly at 870-885 fps) and see what will happen. Ed

Ed, thank you! You were 100% correct. The hammer spring was at maxiumum minus .5 turns on yesterday’s data. So, today, I decreased the hammer spring another .5 revolutions (so, it was maximum minus one full revolution). Here is the data for that setup:

Filled to 182 Bar:

Filled to 200 Bar:

As you can see, there is still a difference in velocity with the two different fill pressures. But, the difference is not as bad. So, I decreased the spring tension another .5 turns (total = maximum minus 1.5 revolutions).

Now the gun is “happy” again.

Filled to 194 bar, and then “overfilled” to 207 bar. No measureable difference in velocity. 😎

The data from my last trip to the range suggested that my gun was more accurate at 930-950fps. I’m hoping that was an incorrect conclusion. The gun is now set for 900-910fps (the shot string in the 3rd photo). I will leave it there and go to the range tomorrow.

I really hope it groups just as well at the lower speed, because I get about twice as many shots in a 20fps spread simply by reducing the muzzle energy by 5-6% .

Again, thank you for your keen suggestion!

Ted

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