Q:

EDgun Leshiy

All in one place 🙂

This model of the gun, for today is the record for EDgn company in making gun from the project to the ready to shoot sample. Early morning of 2nd of January I left my home for my technology engineer’s home (1.4 thousand km away) to make a new project together. For just three days, from scratch, this gun was projected. This is ideal way, to my opinion, when the designer and the technologist are sitting together in one place and make the project. There is no necessity of the coordination by Skype of e-mail, maximum result in the minimum time. This gun was projected after Lelya 2.0 and Matador R4, thus we had such an experience already. Besides we understand each other without any words sometimes.

After four days of heavy and exhausting work we looked at the monitor and, breathing out just could say “That is shit genius!”. The name of the gun appears in my head immediately Leshiy (wood goblin), as this is a kind of survival gun, means made for forest, unpretentious, inconspicuous. And no any name can be used for it since that

I returned back home with the feeling I made a great work. While on the way back I invented few small things to improve it, we discussed it in Skype and Igor’ began to make the drawings for the production department. That is very nice that we planned to take some CNC machines out of the main production just to make samples. That helped us a lot in this case. I set the task for the production department to give me the sample towards the middle of February as I wanted to take it to IWA 2016. They were in a success and in the middle of February the samples were ready and Igor’ just grabbed them and took the plane to me to assemble them together. The details of Leshiy were being galvanized in the morning and the same evening Igor was at my house with them.

The very next morning we began to assemble it. As with any prototype we had some problem while assembling it but mainly due to the lack of some specific O-rings or springs, no problem with the design of the gun. It words perfectly.

Towards 6 o’clock PM I managed to make this short video to show people in production department who were hard working for the whole month to achieve that result.

Leshiy it is conceptual new gun. The first idea was to make a kind of survival gun. Means the gun which has minimum details, which is always ready to shoot, which is not afraid of mud, sand, coldness or heat, which will work everywhere and all the time. That is why I came to the idea that it doesn’t need the breech, the bolt. The ideal way to have the air blowing to the skirt of the pellet directly. To make it more effective in the way of air consumption it was necessary to avoid any turn of air on the way from valve to the pellet. Thus the valve should be turned over for 180 degrees.

Then I realized that the ideal way would be to fix the reservoir to the back part of the gun. In fact I “invented” Talon :). But it didn’t meet my requirement to the concept of the survival gun, compact and powerful. But what if the tank could fold? Bingo! That is what I need, compactness, and always ready to shoot.

Next I have just details which stringer to the main concept.

The fixing of the moderator. First of all I wanted to follow the scheme I use at Matador R4 or Lelya 2.0. That was a perforated sleeve on the breech of the barrel and tightening nut at the end of the barrel, through the moderator. We looked at that from different points but failed to get it compact. The guns just grew up in the width because of the hinge of the stock. Then I remembered that I got some problems with Matadors which were before R3, those one with two eight-shaped clamps, like at modern Crickets now. I got the problem with the chokes under those clamps at they squeezed the barrel tightly. So I got two chokes along the pellet movement through the barrel. So, I thought what if I will install a kind of clamp at the end of the barrel to fix it? That is what I needed! We take choke free barrel. Fix it by its end, get the light choke by squeezing it with the clamp, that will improve the accuracy but will allow to use any heavy pellets which “doesn’t like” choke. And the guns stay slim! Plus to that there is no thread on the barrel, both at the beginning and the end that makes its inside surface smoother. Such a design of barrel fix plus to bolt free concept of the gun allows to change the caliber of the gun from .177 up to .25 not touching any other parts of the gun. To align the barrel at the breech are there is a plastic sleeve.

I was thinking a lot about the length of the barrel. We got 200 mm at the prototype, that wasn’t enough. But what should we do with the size of the gun as there is a task to have it no longer then 350 mm while folded? Offset moderator, of course! Like I tested at the previous models already. Thus it allow us to install 250 mm length of the barrel that gives us quite good work of the moderators as well. Calling it quite good I am quite humble, as usually :). New moderator, with the new design of the baffles gives us very good result of sound suppressing.

As the barrel is 250 mm one shouldn’t expect phenomenal results, you have to consider it in a real way. But you can see at this video that the speed of the pellets and the energy is quite good for this small gun as well as the accuracy. Take into consideration that I used 4 magnification scope with thick reticle, that didn’t allow me to see the target clearly.

You can see also how the barrel can be changed.

As I refused of our traditional way of fixing the moderator by the tightening nut so I decided to make it even simplier. As that is offset moderator it means it can take only one position if it has two toeholds. The first one is the end of the barrel which the moderator is set on. The second is the ouside diameter of the moderator which is installed inside the tube of the gun body. So, just tight it with the cap from one side to fix it. By the way that give you chance to have longer barrel. Just install the 100 mm tube inside the body of the gun, the moderator will set to this tube and inside the outside tube with the came cap. As the gun has possibility to change the caliber the wholes in the moderator are made for .25 caliber.

Here is just third changing of the barrel in my life, with on experience in it.

That is first hunting with it.

Many countries require the safty for the guns. It is not difficult to put it into any scheme of the gun. The manufacturers usually use the simpliest way, to block the trigger. I decided to go the other way, to block the sear, to guaranty the gun will not shot. Thus the safety blocks the sear. One can put it on safety mode bay hand or if you fold the butt/reservoir completely it is set to safety automatically. The gun can be set to the safety mode only being cocked. The movement of the safety is short, one can hear the click while using it. The way it is located is comfortable too – at the end of the index finger.

Unfortunately I had to refuse of great working revolving hammer and return to line moving hammer due to the size of the gun. But it is quite confortable to use. You can even uncock it without folding the butt/reservoir.

The trigger is not regulated no by the length of the movement no by the power (that is survival gun) but I considered important to install the stopper of the trigger movement after the hammer goes, that will influence to the accuracy in a good way. Besides it is possible to install there the screw with the spring-loaded head to simulate the “step” at the last stage of movement the trigger.

We got the problem with the fixing the screw of the hammer spring. Due to the size of the gun I failed to install there normal locknut. The new way, to my opinion, should be welcomed by the users. That is ratchet with the spring-loaded ball. One can calculate clicks while adjusting the spring, and it sounds so “sexy” 🙂 Besides one has access to it without necceserety to disassemble the gun.

I decided to make the butt very “aggressive” with big and sharp “clogs” to catch any garment. Installing the rubber butt pads I considered as way out of the survival gun 🙂

The butt has a feature of the clevis, which is comfortable to use to fix the gun to any part of your equipment, bag pack etc.

The gun is equipped with the regulator but no gauge. As the reservoir is small, just 54 cm3 to install the gauge there would take volume(we cannot make it longer). So, you can pump the up to 300 bar, using your standard tank and you will hear when the regulator is off by the sound of the shot. Time to pump it again!
No doubt due to the small volume of the reservoir one shouldn’t expect any fantastic number of shots from the fill. The main idea of this gun was to make few accurate shots but not to plink for gun. At the first test I got 12 shots from 250 bar filled in the gun. I used JSB King, 1.645 grams (25 grain) and the speed of the pellet was 225 m/sec (738 f/sec). The everage air consumption was 9.7 cm3/Jole. Then I changed some parameters and got 18 shot with the same speed from the same filling pressure, that makes the air consumption equal to 7.5 cm3/Jole. That is not bad I think.

At video above you can see three different calibers shot. I didn’t readjusted either hammer spring tension or regulator set, just changed the barrel. I think there are some reserves for making it better.

I can tell for sure that I got no questions to the design of Leshiy after I first assembled it, the design was considered completely successful from the point of view of manufacturing and working as it was devised. Anyhow while testing that for few weeks and listening to the people at IWA 2016 I made more then 30 changes in Leshiy which will just improve it.

At the beginning I got an idea to have open sights but since the axis of the eye view is to hight above the gun I refused that idea. I decided to sell it with the new EDgun scope 5×20 which I just began to design and expect the samples to test within couple of months.
I decided to pack it in the waterproof hard plastic case, that meets the main concept of the gun as the gun of survival. You can see it here:

Some other feature you should like

In general, to my opinion, the gun is not just doomed to be successful but it gives the new way of development of PCP airguns like it did in the past Matador and Lelay. I am sure completely that there will not be any indifferent people to this gun as there were not at IWA show, that was the gun which was quite difficult to find at the shelf. It was always in somebody’s hands 🙂 The only words I hear about it at IWA “When?” and only after that “How much?” in this turn 🙂

I expect to have first 500 guns to be ready in July. I opened the booking for it in Russia few days ago and about 240 guns are booked now out of 500. So, for those who has a EDgun representative in your countires apply to them to book, for those who has not – write me directly in feedback from http://www.edgun.com

As the gun is multi caliber while preordering you should ask the main caiber (it will be engraved on the body of the gun) and what caliber and how many additional barrels.

I didn’t set the price yet, so I can just put in the waiting list. No deposits should be taken for booking. When I know the price I will inform about it seperatly. But it will not be cheap, due to the way it is made, only CNC machines, no casting nothing, solid, robust, reliable.

EdGun

All Replies

Viewing 15 replies - 151 through 165 (of 226 total)

1 2 3 10 11 12 14 15 16

My Dear and Beloved :bow: :bow: :bow: Magnificent Cousin,

I start to agree with others saying you are currently not on medication.

What’s this BS about me being “Edgun Salesman of the Year” and Ed loving me?

A few posts back you were telling me about me dreaming ….

quote oakey631:

Dream on my wonderful Witty Cousin Dream on.

Ed loving me actually would be a nightmare for me, I would have an identity crisis :suprisedn: .

Me I am “Edgun Hater Number One” on TAG and I won’t accept anything less than that, it took me so much time and effort to reach this status and know you want destroy everything?

FORGET IT!

Maybe you my dear and beloved cousin, maybe YOU ARE DREAMING!

Are you dreaming about getting that Sexy Lady Leshiy (pronounced “Le-Shitty”, sounds French) delivered straight to your door?

Again FORGET IT!

Now let’s speak about facts and your chances this going to happen, let’s be realistic.

When you bet on who you think will be the winner of a match what do you consider? You consider the stats, pure facts, now let’s look at Ed’s and Edgun’s stats in several domains:

1) Delivery on time :rofl:
I would skip this stat alltogether

2) Price / Payment as agreed :whistle:
Well except the “Lelya Hold-Up” which was in the media, Tony normally just puts a gun on your face telling you the price and I never heard about anybody complaining

3) Quality / Reliability of the products :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Well I have to agree that the raw materials probably are quality, actually high quality but normally when assembled there are some surprises:

a) Veles – The iron sights are so huge that the smallest thing you can aim on at 15 meters is a family car :rofl:

b) Lelya – You can shoot it only wearing special protections because at each shot it kicks you in the face :angrymob:

c) Matador Rx – I simply love it! :8:

d) Matador R3M – Crappy POS – It could have cycled properly at least once, just to make me happy and relief my 2500 USD pain 😈

e) Morana – Well the Morana is really a dangerous gun. The last time I took it out I started to load it from the muzzle as I do with all my blackpowder muskets and it took me some time to understand why the gun won’t fire. Now I’ve put a sticker on it saying “This is not a musket!” in order to avoid this happpening again in the future.

4) Warranty :rofl:
All Edguns have a lifetime warranty that expires as soon as you take the first shot or if you touch the gun even accidentally and since it takes around 3K of pellets to break the gun in I dare to say there is no warranty. Actually have you ever heard of an Edgun having been replaced under warranty? :rofl:

5) Support – The only support Ed provides is the “Donation” button on his website, this is what he intends with support, he means “supporting him” :fishing:

6) Aftersales care / Customer care :9: :9: :9:

My dear cousin if you believe Ed about the new improved aftersales service then stop dreaming.

You are dreaming about the “Edgun Customer Care service” in video-chat with a sexy lattex dressed Irina licking a Chupa-Chupa asking you to tell her about your probe and caliber? Oh boy you are a dreamer :8:

7) Value of Edguns when reselling 😯

Well normally I could burn the “Russian Walnut Stocks” in the fire and they didn’t charge me too much for the metal parts at the waste deposit but this could change in the future.

The Leshiy doesn’t even have a wooden stock and since Ed has announced that all his previous products are now history (luckily) I don’t even know if they will continue to accept the metal parts for re-cycling.

Be really careful to empty the air cylinder before giving the gun in because currently with all the old Edguns being recycled a big explosion could happen. (Do you recall Chernobyl? This was when Ed announced the Matador R2 and stopped manufacturing the Matador R1 and the Matador Slingshot. Coincidence?)

Well my beloved cousin the good thing is that we don’t have to wait too long in order to see if the promises of Ed are just the promises of a junkie going through withdrawl or if THE NIGHTMARE IS REALLY OVER and has turned into a SWEET DREAM because the Leshiy delivery is scheduled already for July 201x and in order to have your 900 USD ready, if you start to save 180 USD/months right now, you can have a “Sexy Leshiy” without feeling the pain and she will make you have
“Daydreams about Night Things in the middle of the afternoon” :8: (I mean if she’s really a good and hard worker as the “p*mp” told us and if she really has the “Cool Factor” 😀 )

:bow: :bow: :bow:

quote Pippo:

quote keyser soze:

Yeah Pip your reviews of new guns has been super helpful.

That’s why I’ve been appointed “Edgun Salesman of the Year” and I really enjoyed the Lelya I’ve received as a prize.

I mean the picture taken by PiterM of a real Lelya 😀

I am honored to be Pippo’s favorite cousin especially since ED loves him now. :bow: :bow: :bow: EDgun Salesman of the YEAR.

I think The Keyser hit on something. There were some serious problems with the .30 in the USA and some abroad. The Leyla had a minor blow back issue that can be correct very easily. I have sold all my guns and I have owned a few bull pups however there were only two I have kept My Baby Mutant and my EDgun Matty RM3 .25 which I have had no issues with outside my own blunders.

I will be honest here as honest as I can be. I love my EDgun and not because it once belonged to that RAT BASTARD from TOAD SUCK or because Keyser Soze owns them no it is a great gun in so many ways. At times my Baby Mutant makes me realize that Ed could improve his trigger system and the magazine system make my Eddy almost flawless. More then ever I want EDgun to be successful and to improve upon issues that have been reoccurring. I am hammering ED not because I hate him or hate EDgun or I am jealous. I expect more from him and from each new gun that he puts out! More reliable and smoother magazine system-better trigger-better customer service in the US market. I think he has heard us at least I hope he has. By the way ED your guns look great just swap out that stock on the Leyla with a Matty Stock and make that air tube bigger OD.

Oaks

Ed also I can not spank Pippo in public anymore so you will have to deal with his trespasses.

quote keyser soze:

Yeah Pip your reviews of new guns has been super helpful.

That’s why I’ve been appointed “Edgun Salesman of the Year” and I really enjoyed the Lelya I’ve received as a prize.

I mean the picture taken by PiterM of a real Lelya 😀

Yeah Pip your reviews of new guns has been super helpful.

quote Ed:

quote PiterM:

Ed… just be prepared for the extreme demand if Leshiy lands in front of my camera, LOL 😀

That is what I am working on now, to meet the demand 🙂

Hi,

have to admit I’m somehow surprised by Ed’s latest posts and consider them as having taken at least for once the perspective of the customer (and not only the maker) and I appreciate this very much!

New products, better assistance, new customer care, new prices :whistle: , looks like a real “Coming Back”.

While I understand this PiterM talking I strongly disagree with this, I think he is good for shots (and he has proven this) but for Beta-Tester I have a much better option (IMHO).

I strongly support Sir Ville for this role and if he supports the new guns then I will take this like an “official certification” :8: :8: :8:

(Hearing Keyser raving about the news guns wouldn’t really be something new and revealing IMHO 😀 )

quote PiterM:

Ed… just be prepared for the extreme demand if Leshiy lands in front of my camera, LOL 😀

Im sure about that… Ed send one to Piter before everyone

quote PiterM:

Ed… just be prepared for the extreme demand if Leshiy lands in front of my camera, LOL 😀

That is what I am working on now, to meet the demand 🙂

Ed… just be prepared for the extreme demand if Leshiy lands in front of my camera, LOL 😀

quote Pippo:

Personally, according my experience “Top Edgun = Matador R3”, this gun was awesome :8:

In this case, I believe, you will love Matador R4, that is like R3, but better 🙂

quote keyser soze:

In all seriousness the R3 .30 was my first problem I experienced with an EDgun and I have owned a lot of EDguns. My two main guns have been the R3M .22 and .25. I honestly shoot one of those two guns almost every day. I replaced my first Oring and brass Oring on these two guns not that long ago. Because of it’s simplicity I could seriously tune an EDgun in under 30 minutes start to finish.

I will not post my the number of rounds I have through these two guns but it is a lot. Imagine shooting a gun every day for years.

My poke at Pippo made him a little butt hurt about being an EDgun salesman but really in spite of the terrible service in the USA Ed makes a great gun and I’m sure the Leshiy will be no different. The problem with the Matadors stems from when they were modified from the original .177/.22 platform. Since this is a newly designed gun it will be built with larger calibers in mind.

In fact, the main problem is that it is impossible to catch the problem (sorry for tautology) on a short time testing. I told you, that my own .30 standard is working perfectly and I got nothing wrong with it completely. I just took it out the batch and use it. The same was for the guns of many people in Russia. I am talking now about .30 gen. 2. So I was completely sure that it works as it planned to. And only half a year since first were sold out I got the first calls. So, as you said — that is mechanics, it can fail, space technic is burst time to time and they spend much more money on that, car makers are taking cars back after findng something, thoug their budgets are far away of mine. The only thing I can agree — pour service. OK, I got it, I work on it.

I like what I do and I have no intention to kill that just because of the pour service.

quote keyser soze:

In all seriousness the R3 .30 was my first problem I experienced with an EDgun and I have owned a lot of EDguns. My two main guns have been the R3M .22 and .25. I honestly shoot one of those two guns almost every day. I replaced my first Oring and brass Oring on these two guns not that long ago. Because of it’s simplicity I could seriously tune an EDgun in under 30 minutes start to finish.

I will not post my the number of rounds I have through these two guns but it is a lot. Imagine shooting a gun every day for years.

My poke at Pippo made him a little butt hurt about being an EDgun salesman but really in spite of the terrible service in the USA Ed makes a great gun and I’m sure the Leshiy will be no different. The problem with the Matadors stems from when they were modified from the original .177/.22 platform. Since this is a newly designed gun it will be built with larger calibers in mind.

Personally, according my experience “Top Edgun = Matador R3”, this gun was awesome :8:

All the others were “FrankEdSteins” (IMHO) but hopefully this will change now, let’s start from the Leshiy :8:

quote Ed:

All our toys are fun tools, whatever we think about it. That is airgun, buddy! 🙂

:8: :8: :8: :8:

In all seriousness the R3 .30 was my first problem I experienced with an EDgun and I have owned a lot of EDguns. My two main guns have been the R3M .22 and .25. I honestly shoot one of those two guns almost every day. I replaced my first Oring and brass Oring on these two guns not that long ago. Because of it’s simplicity I could seriously tune an EDgun in under 30 minutes start to finish.

I will not post my the number of rounds I have through these two guns but it is a lot. Imagine shooting a gun every day for years.

My poke at Pippo made him a little butt hurt about being an EDgun salesman but really in spite of the terrible service in the USA Ed makes a great gun and I’m sure the Leshiy will be no different. The problem with the Matadors stems from when they were modified from the original .177/.22 platform. Since this is a newly designed gun it will be built with larger calibers in mind.

I love you all so much, but I just unable to follow all the thread and answer all the questions, so I do hope you will forgive me if I just will glide over and answer what I can! 🙂

quote Pippo:

… Magic and Forever 😀

Ed may I ask you what makes it so reliable? The proven reports coming from the battle fields?

You make it sound almost like a Colt 1911 or AK47 even though the design of the gun is not even 3 months old and not even one has ever been produced and sold to a customer 😀

I just can see the future!

quote Pippo:

Ed,

I’m going to pass on the Leshiy as a survival tool.

Should I decide to invest on an airgun as survival tool then I would choose the FX Independent that is independent (as its name says) of a filling station because of having the pump integrated and for larger game eventually I could also shoot arrows.

I could consider the Leshiy though as a fun tool if the answer to the question “How much?” you have been asked is “Not much!”.

Well, I am afraid I am very bad in expressing emotions, that was sarcam about survaval just to glew the attention to the product. It is better you made fun of “survaval” rather then with some other things. I accept it 🙂 On the other hand, quite often, while fishing and be lazy to take full size gun with me I was dissapointed of the fact I am unarmed when I see some tasty bird at the distance of 20-50 meters. To take that gun as the secondary for the same fishing would be a nice idea. For me, at least.

All our toys are fun tools, whatever we think about it. That is airgun, buddy! 🙂

quote PiterM:

Ed, that is nice! If you’d need a pro photographer and beta tester in one… I’m ready to take the challenge! 🙂

I was thinking about it.

quote Strietwise:

Hey guys, just a thought. If you don’t like the gun, don’t buy it. If you own the gun and have information on it to share then many of us would love to hear about it. At this point your whining is getting old.

That is OK, I am taking all the staff talked about Leshiy with peasure, no matter if it is good or bad. First of all that is adv. last but not least I am passing by some jokes but care about clever thought people say out and consider them how to use.

quote oakey631:

Can I buy the gun with out the construction case and the scope? Will we have to buy it from Tony Rudenko? Or straight from Mother Russia? Why have Tony if he does not warrantee stuff? $$$ money bypass usless middle man.

Since we are running fast it seems that the scope will not be ready at the time when the first banch of Leshiys are assemled, so, it can happen they will be send without scopes. As for Tony and the way to sell it in States. I will let you know when I am ready to sell it in States.

quote shooter3:

Won’t you have the same problem with a longer barrel like in R2.5 – choking effect in the middle of the bore, not at the end?

How many shots did you shoot through the gun? Can you guarantee that it will work perfectly fine for e.g. 10k shots?

The last thing is the guaranteed precision. For Matador it is 20mm x 20mm at the distance of 50 meters in the perfect conditions, benchrest style. How about Leshiy?

Just today I tested 350 mm barrel in .25, The accaracy was the same lever as with .25, speed was up to 820 f/sec (with 250 mm. barrel it was 740 f/sec). With the same air effitiencey without overconsumption. I will upload vid this niight.

I will, also, make vid about the number of shots for all calibers with best ajustments. Now I am just playing it, trying to kill, no success yet 🙂

As for the guaranty accuracy, I think that I will take risk saying about 30 mm. at 50 meters.

quote Pippo:

Just to avoid misunderstandings about my position on the Leshiy.

I consider it a nice little fun gun with some flaws but then there is no perfect gun.

If it will prove over time to be accurate and reliable (like I really do hope for Ed and all his efforts) then personally I consider it in the price range between a Veles and under an old Lelya when delivered with one barrel.

The Leshiy has also a chinese scope (unfortunately imposed) and is single shot, the Lelya is also single shot, doesn’t have a chinese scope but has a walnut stock and a pressure gauge.

If you add to this equation the fact that with the Leshiy probably you have to pay as well for a chinese scope that probably you won’t use and you will have to pay in addition for another scope then I consider the mentioned price range more than adeguate but then this is just me, based on my evaluations and everybody is free to spend his hard earned cash the way he likes best.

:2cents:

Nothing is perfect in this world, even our beloved getting old 🙂 I heard good words in Matt Dubber’s vid today, watch it. It seems to me he caught the idea, Leshiy is not the gun, Leshiy is thing one want to have since the moment he takes it in hand 🙂

quote LarryW22:

It seems to me that the TAG forum has changed in the last few months. Clever and amusing posts are rare lately, replaced by sniveling, whining and name calling. Not that you would engage in such moronic drivel. I hope you get some trigger time behind you favorite AG and your red wine sales are profitable.

I’ve seen that happen to few forums already in Russia. When the discussion is run in the way you don’t like only moderators can put it in the normal way, otherwise clever guys first stop writing, then stop reading and forum turns to be a rubish bin.

quote keyser soze:

What some see as whining I see as earned. Those of you who have never had an EDgun problem view negative post as whining. I know I used to be one of you. One could search my old post and see a back and forth where I defended EDgun and argued with Pip and Ville regarding the merits of the Matador. The fact is they had traveled road I was yet to travel. I was once like you, that is I had not eaten from the tree of knowledge. If you ever have a real problem with an EDgun in the USA you will understand posts that are thought to be 90% whining.

Take a look at the Vulcan section and find the same complaints. Oh, problems arise, anything mechanical in this world will eventually break. The difference is how Evengy handles his customers. In all fairness to Eduard, he has sent me parts and answered questions for me, but he will go dark on customers for a few months where Evengy will not. I often get a response from AGT within 2 hours.

My point is customers service is severely lacking with EDgun USA. I have have had to get parts from Ari at DASE shop. This is not right and the reasons for a lot of EDgun hate seems to worm to the surface is because some EDgun owners are like battered women, flinching and fearful of a potential beating they may get with a new EDgun.

I am very glad, Brian, that your eyes are wide open now. And I regret that you didnt’ get 2 hours reply from me. Will think about it carefully and will try to improve it. I agree with the statement about the pour customer survice, I am growing and fail to follow that.

Let me first complete the .30 valve issue, and install a new service and support system, like it is orginized in Russia.

quote Pippo:

It’s like a good party where some beating can happen but the morning after everything is OK 😀

So lets follow now the evolution of the officially newly born Leshiy :popcorn:

(Actually Ed said he will give birth in July…..)

Anyway I wish the child all the best and depending on the circumstances I could eventually also adopt one, with or without his chinese glasses :8:

I lover you Pipo, that is completely honest words. You are awl in my ass here, on TAG, but you are a good man, inside and I feel it 🙂

quote shooter3:

The price is up to you, I mean to the customers. How much are you willing to pay? This is easy.

Absolutely right. In fact the market is the place where two fools meet each other, one is selling to cheap, the other is buying to expensive 🙂 I don’t understand the point of lamenting about the price if one has no need to buy something. If I don’t need, hight end aucustic system just because I don’t need it I don’t care about the price they ask for, I just don’t need it so there is no need even think or argue about the price.

quote Ervian:

Just received info about the price in Europe: €1280 (including 24% tax) for the Leshiy with two barrels and hard case.

I have one ordered for July delivery. 🙂

Hope you will love it!

quote nefarion:

Ed, move the entire production to China. You can reduce the cost of production = profit for you.

The Russian producer of VAL did it. I am not sure about how he orginized his business (though I know him personally and I consider him as a good man and in case on some problems I am open to help him) but there are rumours that first batches of VAL were OK, then quality went wrong and the last batch they even didn’t assembled, just sold out to their representatives as spare parts and that became their problem to assemble them, and sell.

We got few experiences when we used outsoursing, all those sends the same — quality became worse then at the beginning. I consider that issue very aflutter, I mean the quality. If we have problems with it doing everything ouselves, I even don’t want to think what will happen with China parts which I cannot control at the factory.

Sounds intriguing, but thanks…

quote keyser soze:

Alright I’ll get one :butkick: I wasn’t going to buy a Leshiy but since Pippo gave it his Limey seal of approval order one. Ed you have a new salesman, Pippo!

Not the worst one I think 🙂

quote Pippo:

Ed,

Please make sure there won’t be any “Hold-up price surprise” at Leshiy delivery like it happened for the Lelya.

“Because Edgun shit happens”

OK, I learned the lesson, I don’t need to repeat it twise.

quote Cricket:

You guys saying the cool factor are missing the point. The gun is small, it is a pure hunter. For people who have airguns against the law and hunt with them, this is ideal, put it in your backpack and no one will suspect a thing…

You see the point. Of course I coun’t tell at the Russian market something like “Hey, guys, here is the guns you can use for poachering, commmon, buy it and shoot whatever you want, whereever you want!” That is why I concealed it under “survival gun” name 🙂 But Russians are clever guys, they figured it out the first day the information appears 🙂

My Dear and Manificent :bow: :bow: :bow: Cousin,

what are you speaking about? Edgun profits, Edgun treason?

OK, I admit, I have many many times contributed to increase Ed’s profits by buying his ridicously overprized Edguns but those times are gone now.

Today before buying an Edgun I have to read and read tons of positive customer feedbacks and still, some Edgun enthusiast tend to get high so anyway I take everything with “a grain of salt” (while licking a Chupa-Chupa lollipop, one of the few Ed has left alive 😀 ).

But to be honest, Ed in order to be able to continue to develop new guns he has to make some profit.

Selling the Leshiy in Europe for around 1000€ with 24% of taxes included means they will come to the States for between 850-900 USD and while not being really cheap cheap they fall into the category of “reasonable” for what I consider a “Nice to have” gun (IMHO) and allows Ed to run his business and make some profit.

With what do you shoot currently during the half-time of a football match?

The Leshiy could be filling nicely this time :4: :4: :4: and this thanks to Ed.

:bow: :bow: :bow:

Viewing 15 replies - 151 through 165 (of 226 total)

1 2 3 10 11 12 14 15 16
  • You must be logged in to reply to this topic.