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EDgun Leshiy

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This model of the gun, for today is the record for EDgn company in making gun from the project to the ready to shoot sample. Early morning of 2nd of January I left my home for my technology engineer’s home (1.4 thousand km away) to make a new project together. For just three days, from scratch, this gun was projected. This is ideal way, to my opinion, when the designer and the technologist are sitting together in one place and make the project. There is no necessity of the coordination by Skype of e-mail, maximum result in the minimum time. This gun was projected after Lelya 2.0 and Matador R4, thus we had such an experience already. Besides we understand each other without any words sometimes.

After four days of heavy and exhausting work we looked at the monitor and, breathing out just could say “That is shit genius!”. The name of the gun appears in my head immediately Leshiy (wood goblin), as this is a kind of survival gun, means made for forest, unpretentious, inconspicuous. And no any name can be used for it since that

I returned back home with the feeling I made a great work. While on the way back I invented few small things to improve it, we discussed it in Skype and Igor’ began to make the drawings for the production department. That is very nice that we planned to take some CNC machines out of the main production just to make samples. That helped us a lot in this case. I set the task for the production department to give me the sample towards the middle of February as I wanted to take it to IWA 2016. They were in a success and in the middle of February the samples were ready and Igor’ just grabbed them and took the plane to me to assemble them together. The details of Leshiy were being galvanized in the morning and the same evening Igor was at my house with them.

The very next morning we began to assemble it. As with any prototype we had some problem while assembling it but mainly due to the lack of some specific O-rings or springs, no problem with the design of the gun. It words perfectly.

Towards 6 o’clock PM I managed to make this short video to show people in production department who were hard working for the whole month to achieve that result.

Leshiy it is conceptual new gun. The first idea was to make a kind of survival gun. Means the gun which has minimum details, which is always ready to shoot, which is not afraid of mud, sand, coldness or heat, which will work everywhere and all the time. That is why I came to the idea that it doesn’t need the breech, the bolt. The ideal way to have the air blowing to the skirt of the pellet directly. To make it more effective in the way of air consumption it was necessary to avoid any turn of air on the way from valve to the pellet. Thus the valve should be turned over for 180 degrees.

Then I realized that the ideal way would be to fix the reservoir to the back part of the gun. In fact I “invented” Talon :). But it didn’t meet my requirement to the concept of the survival gun, compact and powerful. But what if the tank could fold? Bingo! That is what I need, compactness, and always ready to shoot.

Next I have just details which stringer to the main concept.

The fixing of the moderator. First of all I wanted to follow the scheme I use at Matador R4 or Lelya 2.0. That was a perforated sleeve on the breech of the barrel and tightening nut at the end of the barrel, through the moderator. We looked at that from different points but failed to get it compact. The guns just grew up in the width because of the hinge of the stock. Then I remembered that I got some problems with Matadors which were before R3, those one with two eight-shaped clamps, like at modern Crickets now. I got the problem with the chokes under those clamps at they squeezed the barrel tightly. So I got two chokes along the pellet movement through the barrel. So, I thought what if I will install a kind of clamp at the end of the barrel to fix it? That is what I needed! We take choke free barrel. Fix it by its end, get the light choke by squeezing it with the clamp, that will improve the accuracy but will allow to use any heavy pellets which “doesn’t like” choke. And the guns stay slim! Plus to that there is no thread on the barrel, both at the beginning and the end that makes its inside surface smoother. Such a design of barrel fix plus to bolt free concept of the gun allows to change the caliber of the gun from .177 up to .25 not touching any other parts of the gun. To align the barrel at the breech are there is a plastic sleeve.

I was thinking a lot about the length of the barrel. We got 200 mm at the prototype, that wasn’t enough. But what should we do with the size of the gun as there is a task to have it no longer then 350 mm while folded? Offset moderator, of course! Like I tested at the previous models already. Thus it allow us to install 250 mm length of the barrel that gives us quite good work of the moderators as well. Calling it quite good I am quite humble, as usually :). New moderator, with the new design of the baffles gives us very good result of sound suppressing.

As the barrel is 250 mm one shouldn’t expect phenomenal results, you have to consider it in a real way. But you can see at this video that the speed of the pellets and the energy is quite good for this small gun as well as the accuracy. Take into consideration that I used 4 magnification scope with thick reticle, that didn’t allow me to see the target clearly.

You can see also how the barrel can be changed.

As I refused of our traditional way of fixing the moderator by the tightening nut so I decided to make it even simplier. As that is offset moderator it means it can take only one position if it has two toeholds. The first one is the end of the barrel which the moderator is set on. The second is the ouside diameter of the moderator which is installed inside the tube of the gun body. So, just tight it with the cap from one side to fix it. By the way that give you chance to have longer barrel. Just install the 100 mm tube inside the body of the gun, the moderator will set to this tube and inside the outside tube with the came cap. As the gun has possibility to change the caliber the wholes in the moderator are made for .25 caliber.

Here is just third changing of the barrel in my life, with on experience in it.

That is first hunting with it.

Many countries require the safty for the guns. It is not difficult to put it into any scheme of the gun. The manufacturers usually use the simpliest way, to block the trigger. I decided to go the other way, to block the sear, to guaranty the gun will not shot. Thus the safety blocks the sear. One can put it on safety mode bay hand or if you fold the butt/reservoir completely it is set to safety automatically. The gun can be set to the safety mode only being cocked. The movement of the safety is short, one can hear the click while using it. The way it is located is comfortable too – at the end of the index finger.

Unfortunately I had to refuse of great working revolving hammer and return to line moving hammer due to the size of the gun. But it is quite confortable to use. You can even uncock it without folding the butt/reservoir.

The trigger is not regulated no by the length of the movement no by the power (that is survival gun) but I considered important to install the stopper of the trigger movement after the hammer goes, that will influence to the accuracy in a good way. Besides it is possible to install there the screw with the spring-loaded head to simulate the “step” at the last stage of movement the trigger.

We got the problem with the fixing the screw of the hammer spring. Due to the size of the gun I failed to install there normal locknut. The new way, to my opinion, should be welcomed by the users. That is ratchet with the spring-loaded ball. One can calculate clicks while adjusting the spring, and it sounds so “sexy” 🙂 Besides one has access to it without necceserety to disassemble the gun.

I decided to make the butt very “aggressive” with big and sharp “clogs” to catch any garment. Installing the rubber butt pads I considered as way out of the survival gun 🙂

The butt has a feature of the clevis, which is comfortable to use to fix the gun to any part of your equipment, bag pack etc.

The gun is equipped with the regulator but no gauge. As the reservoir is small, just 54 cm3 to install the gauge there would take volume(we cannot make it longer). So, you can pump the up to 300 bar, using your standard tank and you will hear when the regulator is off by the sound of the shot. Time to pump it again!
No doubt due to the small volume of the reservoir one shouldn’t expect any fantastic number of shots from the fill. The main idea of this gun was to make few accurate shots but not to plink for gun. At the first test I got 12 shots from 250 bar filled in the gun. I used JSB King, 1.645 grams (25 grain) and the speed of the pellet was 225 m/sec (738 f/sec). The everage air consumption was 9.7 cm3/Jole. Then I changed some parameters and got 18 shot with the same speed from the same filling pressure, that makes the air consumption equal to 7.5 cm3/Jole. That is not bad I think.

At video above you can see three different calibers shot. I didn’t readjusted either hammer spring tension or regulator set, just changed the barrel. I think there are some reserves for making it better.

I can tell for sure that I got no questions to the design of Leshiy after I first assembled it, the design was considered completely successful from the point of view of manufacturing and working as it was devised. Anyhow while testing that for few weeks and listening to the people at IWA 2016 I made more then 30 changes in Leshiy which will just improve it.

At the beginning I got an idea to have open sights but since the axis of the eye view is to hight above the gun I refused that idea. I decided to sell it with the new EDgun scope 5×20 which I just began to design and expect the samples to test within couple of months.
I decided to pack it in the waterproof hard plastic case, that meets the main concept of the gun as the gun of survival. You can see it here:

Some other feature you should like

In general, to my opinion, the gun is not just doomed to be successful but it gives the new way of development of PCP airguns like it did in the past Matador and Lelay. I am sure completely that there will not be any indifferent people to this gun as there were not at IWA show, that was the gun which was quite difficult to find at the shelf. It was always in somebody’s hands 🙂 The only words I hear about it at IWA “When?” and only after that “How much?” in this turn 🙂

I expect to have first 500 guns to be ready in July. I opened the booking for it in Russia few days ago and about 240 guns are booked now out of 500. So, for those who has a EDgun representative in your countires apply to them to book, for those who has not – write me directly in feedback from http://www.edgun.com

As the gun is multi caliber while preordering you should ask the main caiber (it will be engraved on the body of the gun) and what caliber and how many additional barrels.

I didn’t set the price yet, so I can just put in the waiting list. No deposits should be taken for booking. When I know the price I will inform about it seperatly. But it will not be cheap, due to the way it is made, only CNC machines, no casting nothing, solid, robust, reliable.

EdGun

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Kashpirovsky can learn from Ed a lot, especially in the area of clairvoyance. Ed should be nominated for the award in economy.

New single shot pistol (13shots per fill, wow) for the price of a rifle. magic. great magic. I know why you’re sooo happy, You count money in mind: adin dwa tri …. Ed, you’re like Kashpirovsky.

Despite my negative experiences I’m putting everything to rest and I’m looking forward to hear good things about the new guns and the new customer service!

Still suffering from time to time a “relapse” but what can I do :bow: :bow: :bow:

I will be back in July when Ed will give birth to congratulate him for the new baby! 😀

Uncle Pippo

quote Pippo:

quote Der HeckenschĂźtze:

A little compromise in addressing and dealing with the issue from both sides will make the link much better…
I disagree with you by being an ass kisser as you described it to be an AG enthusiast..
I believe that Progress is made on CONTSRUCTIVE critisism and not the opposite.

There was no offence meant with the “ass kisser” thing, it’s only that lately there are apparently only two categories, the ass kissers and the haters, so if you are not a hater then you are an ass kisser.

But getting over this bullshit…

You say “by now its fair to understand the man…” and this is perfectly correct and this is why the .30 thing is going now in the right direction because Ed needs to have a lot of fuss to do things and Keyser made a lot of fuss and it is thanks to Keyser that things are going to be fixed now and not because of Ed’s proactive attention to customers.

I agree as well on the CONSTRUCTIVE critisism (or positive) but once again the man needs a certain form of critism otherwise he will never listen.

One more thing about the “ass kissers”, the R3M having or having had cycling issues is a matter of fact. Now if all the “supporters” and also Ed in first person instead of denying the evidence would have said “This needs to be repaired” then a lot of NEGATIVE critisism would never have seen the light but please don’t remind me of that episode because there is much more to say that hasn’t been said and even if in that occasion I’ve lost 2000 USD I’m going to put this to rest.

You pay PRIME because you want a prime product and a prime service!

Let me finish by saying that probably (actually certainly because I was paying more) I’ve had more Edguns than Keyser and I’ve paid more than Keyser because I had them all and a customer spending that kind of cash on a brand and its products is not a hater, actually he is a PRIME customer and he deserves to be treated as such. (This in theory but not at Edgun because of “the man’s logic”).

I think we’re somehow aligned… :7:

Life is like a MMA match. The cage door closes and sometimes you’re going to take a beating no manner how prepared you were for the fight. The measure of a man in my opinion cannot be quantified in victory. Instead it is measured by his return from defeat. The great Hannibal Barca is remembered for the Romans defeating Carthage in spite of Hannibal’s many victories. Ultimately it is about the long term win, not short term victories.

This is my problem. Pippo and others have had cycling problems with the R3M. In my opinion there is a fix. It has to do with the manufacture of the cocking arm and the cocking post on the action. Some work perfectly some don’t. To me this is the most simple fix in the world. The process of improvement looks like this: customer, return your bad action that doesn’t cycle to the dealer. Dealer provides customer with a new action that cycles perfectly. Ed gets the faulty action returned to him where he can disassemble it, look for flaws then use the mistake to improve his product. When the dealer does not take an active role in product testing, improvement and service then they keyboards will heat up. The world is to large for one man to handle everything. In the incident command system we have the rule of 5. That means during an emergency you cannot supervise everything. If you are a boss you have between 3-7 people reporting to you with the optimum number being 5. This makes the problem manageable no manner how overwhelming it may be.

For some reason airgun dealers and manufactures seem dastardly. In this business it is hard to tell who is at fault. I’m sure that Ed has a point, only unhappy customers are vocal. But look at the most recent history with the Wildcat, Impact, and Taipan. Guns that were not ready for primetime the provided plenty to complain about. The common maxim amongst airgunners seems to be “don’t buy a new model, let them workout the bugs first”. Maybe because the market is small and we have a more intimate relationship with the company and the owner. It’s not like Ugo Beretta answers questions on the Beretta forum. But it seems like after you buy a PCP you better join a forum quickly because we (forum members) are the only support you’re going to get.

quote Der HeckenschĂźtze:

A little compromise in addressing and dealing with the issue from both sides will make the link much better…
I disagree with you by being an ass kisser as you described it to be an AG enthusiast..
I believe that Progress is made on CONTSRUCTIVE critisism and not the opposite.

There was no offence meant with the “ass kisser” thing, it’s only that lately there are apparently only two categories, the ass kissers and the haters, so if you are not a hater then you are an ass kisser.

But getting over this bullshit…

You say “by now its fair to understand the man…” and this is perfectly correct and this is why the .30 thing is going now in the right direction because Ed needs to have a lot of fuss to do things and Keyser made a lot of fuss and it is thanks to Keyser that things are going to be fixed now and not because of Ed’s proactive attention to customers.

I agree as well on the CONSTRUCTIVE critisism (or positive) but once again the man needs a certain form of critism otherwise he will never listen.

One more thing about the “ass kissers”, the R3M having or having had cycling issues is a matter of fact. Now if all the “supporters” and also Ed in first person instead of denying the evidence would have said “This needs to be repaired” then a lot of NEGATIVE critisism would never have seen the light but please don’t remind me of that episode because there is much more to say that hasn’t been said and even if in that occasion I’ve lost 2000 USD I’m going to put this to rest.

You pay PRIME because you want a prime product and a prime service!

Let me finish by saying that probably (actually certainly because I was paying more) I’ve had more Edguns than Keyser and I’ve paid more than Keyser because I had them all and a customer spending that kind of cash on a brand and its products is not a hater, actually he is a PRIME customer and he deserves to be treated as such. (This in theory but not at Edgun because of “the man’s logic”).

quote Ed:

quote keyser soze:

Man I wish I spoke Russian, the Russian airgun forums sound so fun.

Enjoy if you are able to read 280+ pages of prove that EDgun is a piece of shit 🙂

http://airgun.org.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?f=113&t=105481

Now everything makes sense. I had to make a new email address after I made that R3 .30 video. I was getting hate emails in Russian but I thought my google translate was wrong :rofl:. Someone must have posted my video on that forum.

quote Pippo:

quote Der HeckenschĂźtze:

I think ED is a smart guy by building and upgrading on criticism so keep them flowing for him 😉

That’s a very good point but unfortunately the ones kissing asses are called “Edguns enthusiasts” and the ones trying to show the weak points in order to improve on them are called “Edgun Haters”.

Progress is made on criticism and not on kissing asses. :ugeekn:

Pippo
I think by now its fair to understand the man’s logic, working way and process in manufacturing and handling things with customers and dealers.
It’s not the 1st and the last bug that happens to an edgun
So lets be realistic and face as it is.
A little compromise in addressing and dealing with the issue from both sides will make the link much better.
The quality control has fallen sometimes but its not the end of the world at least we/he are fixing it, and not sending apology mails bullshitting customers and blaming employees or introducing a complete new models as the MK models for example…
I disagree with you by being an ass kisser as you described it to be an AG enthusiast, but we all have the right to convey a gun Bug/ Issue in a constructive way in order to deliver the proper msg ( lately the .30 stem valve dimension ) as we all saw, that things were totally gone in the wrong way.

I believe that Progress is made on CONTSRUCTIVE critisism and not the opposite.

quote Ed:

quote keyser soze:

Man I wish I spoke Russian, the Russian airgun forums sound so fun.

Enjoy if you are able to read 280+ pages of prove that EDgun is a piece of shit 🙂

http://airgun.org.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?f=113&t=105481

You see Ed, TAG is a “Paradise” 😀

And rest assured we love your guns when they work properly and when they are properly assisted! :8:

(And if we don’t have to sell a kidney in order to be able to pay the extra prime for the “handmade” bullshit)

This was not a D-E-R-O-G-A-T-O-R-Y but a positive criticism 😀 (Sorry for this clarification to those not taking the short bus and therefore not needing “additional help”)

quote keyser soze:

Man I wish I spoke Russian, the Russian airgun forums sound so fun.

Enjoy if you are able to read 280+ pages of prove that EDgun is a piece of shit 🙂

http://airgun.org.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?f=113&t=105481

quote shooter3:

From the Urban Dictionary:

quote :

short bus
A bus that people who can’t spell derogatory take.
If you can’t spell derogatory then you probably ride the short bus.

How many passengers do we have here? 😆

Sorry no offence but couldn’t you just count yourself while sitting in there?

Or is counting up to max 1 also a problem? 😀

From the Urban Dictionary:

quote :

short bus
A bus that people who can’t spell derogatory take.
If you can’t spell derogatory then you probably ride the short bus.

How many passengers do we have here? 😆

quote Der HeckenschĂźtze:

I think ED is a smart guy by building and upgrading on criticism so keep them flowing for him 😉

That’s a very good point but unfortunately the ones kissing asses are called “Edguns enthusiasts” and the ones trying to show the weak points in order to improve on them are called “Edgun Haters”.

Progress is made on criticism and not on kissing asses. :ugeekn:

And Ed,

a mark-up of the dealer of 30% would just be wonderful :thumb:

In a same/similar regional area (taxes are the same) where one dealer is selling a Matador for example for 1550 USD (having already included taxes and his share of profit) and another dealer selling for 2200 USD, how would you call the mark-up of the latter one in terms of % of mark-up?

Their is an important lesson I’ve learned in the past about different cultures, is that you need to know the person very well before you can joke around with them.
They can easily misinterpret the meaning of what you’re trying to saying and take it the wrong way.

Also, on matter where you’re from if you share the love of dogs how can you not be a nice person. :biggrinn:

~ Greg

I understood you perfectly. I am not making fun of your English. It is just my impression of Russians (not sure if it is correct or not) is they call it like they see it. I found it refreshing and the term was was just perfectly timed. I enjoyed the video. You look enthused to make guns again, for me an airgun addict that is a good thing.

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