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Fuxineering My Vulcan 0.22 from Talon Tunes

Thanks to the old timers here, I am starting to get my recently arrived Vulcan 0.22 from Tony readied for use.
My apologies if I don’t credit people correctly. Still trying to learn who is who.

Mine is a 2015 June production with an odd configuration of features. It has the multi part baffle shroud like the new guns, but lacked a depinger on its hammer spring, had the old style two hole HST adjuster like the older production, but like the current guns came with no hard case.

First order of business was getting its safety to actually engage. It would only partially engage and if one pulled the trigger a little harder, the blade would slip past safety and fire the gun. Turns out the trigger blade didn’t leave enough clearance for the safety plate to slide between it and the frame. The safety was just barely engaging the trigger blade and would refuse to slide further back. It was working more like a sear than a safety. Adjusting the linkage rod tension got a bit more clearance and after running the safety back and forth it now actually engages. Currently, the safety is stiff, but I put a tiny dab of moly grease and it is gradually working looser. I guess I could grind the safety plate thinner, but that means taking apart more stuff that I want to do.

Next, I turned to Hoot’s shroud vent mod. On my particular shroud, the front cap was easy to unscrew with a lens wrench.
The rear cap wouldn’t budge, so I did all the work only from the front and didn’t try removing the back flow baffle (rearmost element)

Here we see all five baffles, their intervening O-rings and the front cap

While I had things apart, I grabbed a few measurements. The baffle opening is 0.243.
The front cap opening measured 0.258
Given that a 0.30 wouldn’t fit, I’m guess the baffles and cap different for the bigger caliber version.
Then again, we see SniperQTY happily swapping barrels of different calibers on U-Tube.
Don’t know if he also swaps the shrouds.

Shroud outer diameter = 1.130
Shroud inner diameter = 1.116

I used Donny’s tape method to protect the shroud and allow easy marking of the desired hold locations.

An auto punch makes easy, accurately divots in the aluminum tubing. If you are still using an old style center punch,
do yourself a favor and get an auto punch. I kick myself for not getting one years ago.
Mine is a Lisle 30280 Automatic Center Punch. Works great.

A few minutes at the drill press and 1.0 mm holes were done.

UPDATE/ my shroud’s rear holes are now 1.0 mm and forward baffle holes 1.5 mm /UPDATE

TIP: since this is only aluminum, use 90% isopropyl alcohol to lubricate and cool the bit instead of cutting oil.
Cleanup is a LOT easier without oily residue.
(That would be the high concentration stuff, not regular rubbing alcohol)

Deburring the inside of the drill holes was done with a piece of all thread.
I taped most of the rod to limit what portions were sharp. A few passes and
all the burrs were gone. The baffles slipped easily back into place.

Finally, the vented shroud ready to install. I used an O-ring like Hoot said to secure the shroud in the desired spin.
You can’t even see the vent hols with the shroud spun to position
the holes between the shroud and barrel.

Muzzle report was now much quieter than the hammer slap and ping. Hmmmmm. was it possible that my new Vulcan didn’t have a factory de-pinger?
The lack of a hard case suggested it was a later gun, but the old style HST adjuster made me suspicious.
Opened up the access panel and sure enough —— no de-pinger at all.

Since I had to take it all apart, I went ahead and polished the hammer. Took just a few minutes with a dremel, felt wheel, and all metal polish.

Tried ONE grommet in the position that the factory places their de-pinger.

BTW, nobody quite explains how to get the whole assembly back into position.
You can’t push the spring and grommets through the adjuster hole.
Compressing the spring and hammer all together and squeezing
everything in from the side threatens to bend the hammer spring.

Here is how I did it without stressing the spring or scratching up the hammer.

1. Detach the cocking spring
2. Put the hammer, brass guide, and grommets together WITHOUT the hammer spring.
3. Insert the hammer assembly
4. Push the hammer spring in from the back. When you have enough pressure, the
grommets pop onto the spring. Then you simply spin and ease the grommets into position.
5. Reattach cocking spring
6. Insert HST adjusting plug.

Still pinged too loudly for me with one grommet, so back apart it went and I put on a second grommet.

Two grommets made the ping a bit softer. The hammer slap is now the loudest noise. Overall, the noise level has gone from loud as my Benjamin NP2 to about half as loud.
Mind, you, it is far from silent, but it is a significant improvement from how the gun arrived and worth the effort.
A delrin spring guide may be in my future.

EDIT: I have since gone to one grommet and a rubber cap over the brass bushing. See later in this thread.

Thanks all again for the info on this forum.

Guy

Airgun Technology

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quote guykuo:

Today I tried a rubber washer to limit the hammer forward travel. Because the hammer body never actually strikes anything, a small o-ring wasn’t going to work. Instead a larger diameter rubber washer was placed in front of the hammer in the breach block recess just forward of the hammer guide. The smaller diameter opening forward of that recess stops the rubber washer from moving forward. Hence, the hammer gets stopped by the rubber washer. I tried down to 0.60 inch thick. 0.85 barely let the fun fire. 0.60 still reduced fps about 50 fps below normal, but the sad part was I couldn’t appreciably hear an improvement in hammer slap. I’m sure it was hitting less hard, but it wasn’t worth the FPS reduction. Yes, I tried increasing HST to compensate, but nope, couldn’t get back up in FPS.

Could have gone thinner with the rubber washer to get the FPS backup up, but if the slap noise wasn’t being helped at 0.60 inches, it sure wasn’t going to be better with a thinner stop for the hammer.

Not all experiments work out, but now I know.

Put it all back to normal at 930 fps. Even so it is still quiet enough that my wife isn’t sure if I’m shooting upstairs.

I admire your good will to try to make the ultimate Vulcan. Good stuff and you actually seem to know what you’re doing and what makes a PCP tick.

thanks for trying!

with our power limits here, I still don’t quite get it why you cant give up 50-100fps. it would double your shotcount.

it sounds like the hammer slap is the big thing right? so is it the delrin spring guide to go to?

guykuo,
How about a thin hard rubber disc for the hammer to strike. Or were your rubber washers preventing contact ❓

Today I tried a rubber washer to limit the hammer forward travel. Because the hammer body never actually strikes anything, a small o-ring wasn’t going to work. Instead a larger diameter rubber washer was placed in front of the hammer in the breach block recess just forward of the hammer guide. The smaller diameter opening forward of that recess stops the rubber washer from moving forward. Hence, the hammer gets stopped by the rubber washer. I tried down to 0.60 inch thick. 0.85 barely let the fun fire. 0.60 still reduced fps about 50 fps below normal, but the sad part was I couldn’t appreciably hear an improvement in hammer slap. I’m sure it was hitting less hard, but it wasn’t worth the FPS reduction. Yes, I tried increasing HST to compensate, but nope, couldn’t get back up in FPS.

Could have gone thinner with the rubber washer to get the FPS backup up, but if the slap noise wasn’t being helped at 0.60 inches, it sure wasn’t going to be better with a thinner stop for the hammer.

Not all experiments work out, but now I know.

Put it all back to normal at 930 fps. Even so it is still quiet enough that my wife isn’t sure if I’m shooting upstairs.

quote benj397:

quote Hunter 001:

Instruction available in pdf download on Air chrony website.

I found the instructions for the Air Chrony but not instructions for the PC software. Do you have a link?

Here is the link to download software and chrony instruction.
http://www.air-chrony.com/en/content/7-download

Once connected to PC you need to navigate to memory screen where you will get three options R. W Cl
R is to transfer data to PC
W to store string in chrony memory
CL To clear every thing.

The software is very basic. It will give you
Number of shots
Maximum and minimal FPS and power
No ES or SD which is not good.

No this unit does not require Light if it does it not much light. I have never got an error message with this unit. I also own a Beta Shooting Chrony. Even with added LED lights I have issue with error messages.

Do they make an interface cable/program for Iphone these days ? They didn´t before ..

Try Combro Mk4 with PC interface cable. Its scanners are IR. No mess ups with lighting n LEDs

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quote oakey631:

Even with LEDs lights added to these units I was still was getting Error messages and it drove me nutz. ……..This was in place of a mini tripod to use with the unit. Outside this interesting chain of events I did get the unit and I do really like it. I have not hooked it up to a computer not sure I ever will. But if you can weather the storm the unit is a tad pricey but an upgrade from the light reliant unit I also own. :whistle:

So it still gets just as many errors – even if you add lights? Or are you referring to adding lights to other units like the shooting chronies and their issues?

Yeah, I’d like to have the tripod too.

Which light reliant unit do you also own?

The Air Chrony is good stuff I am happy I bought one. I smile when I see the kewl little unit tucked away in my gun bag. It was an interesting experience getting it out of CZ to the USA. One down fall I found with the device is that it can not be used for target shooting like other chronys. However it does not come with the headaches of a chrony that relies on light. Even with LEDs lights added to these units I was still was getting Error messages and it drove me nutz. Another down fall is dealing with folks in other countries is not always the easiest thing for Americans like me that expect everything yesterday. They do not do business like Americans. First I tried to place an order and use paypal to pay b0y was this was tricky and took about a week and half to actually place an order and be able to use the paypal option on their site. Emails from this company were very slow to be returned. When I finally did placed my order it to over a month and a week to get. The unit was supposed to arrive about 8 days after the order was placed well this was not exactly how it went. After 2 weeks I started sending emails about the status of my purchase and whether it was actually shipped or not. It took about another week for the guy to get back to me and say he was sorry it had not shipped yet due to an administrative issue. Air Chrony offered a free gift that was supposed to come with the chrony that you picked at check out. The one I picked did not come they substituted it with a tin of mints that had the air chrony logo on it. This was in place of a mini tripod to use with the unit. Outside this interesting chain of events I did get the unit and I do really like it. I have not hooked it up to a computer not sure I ever will. But if you can weather the storm the unit is a tad pricey but an upgrade from the light reliant unit I also own. :whistle:

quote Hunter 001:

Instruction available in pdf download on Air chrony website.

I found the instructions for the Air Chrony but not instructions for the PC software. Do you have a link?

quote benj397:

Thanks. Sure wish I could find someone that has used it to verify operation.

Used it ? Yes. Contacted the bugger on a Laptop ? No. Never had the need since i can check the string directly on the device.

quote benj397:

quote Sir Ville:

quote octavius:

Really big advantage of Czech airchrony is you can measure in all weather condition including sun or absolutely dark. I have combro from UK also chrony M1 but all sold it and get airchrony. The best chronograph what i had.

I agree ! A very good Chrono. Never misses a beat.

So do you have one connected to a PC? Wondering if it registers each shot as taken on the PC or if you have to download the entire string once complete? Can’t find any instructions on the use of the software. Also would like to know if you can control it with the PC so you didn’t have to use the buttons on the unit.

You have to finish the whole string. Save it to chrony memory before turning it off or you will lose every thing.
Connect it to computer, then chose write to PC then you will be able to see it on computer, it is very limited soft ware with no much options.
Instruction available in pdf download on Air chrony website.

Thanks. Sure wish I could find someone that has used it to verify operation.

I have the Interface but haven´t used it so … It should do all those things you mentioned though.

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