Got the Talon SS in Today!
And it is one awesome piece of work. Mounting accessories and operation is very simple, and the DVD included was a very interesting watch! I love how light the gun is, too. Here are some pictures:
An overhead view of the range (about 20 yards):
The shooting table:
Another angle:
The gun (with my target in the background):
My dog hearing the commotion wandering what’s going on (she usually finds my prey outside while I am watching tv… :lol:):
Compared to my springer I’m getting a lot better groups. This airgun rocks! I ordered JSB exacts from PA and I could not find a single one that was good enough to shoot through my barrel. It only came with a piece of tape rapped around it, not the red tape like normal. I suspect PA is resending out bad pellets that they get back, trying to get away with it thinking that maybe somebody else will keep them? I ordered some other pellets too… same story. Odd thing is that the predators, of which >50% of them last time were damaged, were all 100% awesome. They are the best shooting by far. I’m definitely calling Pyramyd Air tomorrow about this, because I’m not keeping 1500 useless pellets (I honestly could not find any that I could shoot without damaging my gun!). The Crosman Premiers and Predators are perfect though.
I had to shim the scope in order to get it to aim high enough. One thing I think is weird is the difference in POI at different ranges? The groups are always one-holers but in different locations. I suppose I just need more power? I have the PW at 8 and I’m using 14.3 CP’s and Predators (which have the same POI).
What flashlight can I get to mount on it that is cheap (not like chinese child factory cheap) but works well? I’m just not looking to spend hundreds of dollars on flashlights with 1,000,000,000,000 candle light power.
Patrick
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What is this Morgan butt pad? I’m looking for an alternative to the stock butt pad, one that sits lower. I’ve looked at the wokbutt but I’d like a real rifle butt pad instead.
Well, I have rats and ground squirrels. The rats I shoot from inside my kitchen/dining area. That is the 12′ to 24′ shots. The ground squirrels I take at the 15 to 17 yard distances. I know that’s close, but it works.
That is a pretty clever idea. I do the same thing but don’t have the tape, i have just memorized what distance and how many mils to use. It has gotten me 4 crows at 60+ yards, many pigeons at distances from 10-40 yards, and a couple rats at 5 yards.
I have set up a little system on the parralax adjustment knob to help me see how many mildots to use. Each piece of the painters tape has a number written on it, so I just focus on the target and see where I’m at between the pieces of tape. I’ve had good success with this in testing so far. Here’s a picture of it:
And here’s a picture of the whole gun (with the custom pellet holder on the scope thanks to instructions on this forum):
I have mine set up similar to steve. I need to be able to hit rats at 5 yards and crows at 60 yards. A 12 yard zero works perfectly for me. The next thing on my list is a good laser.
Wow Steve, 12~51’ shooting range. That’s very narrow. Just curious, what are you doing at those distances?
Congratulations on your new SS. I have had mine since last October. I love the light weight, and power. Having the scope mounted so high over the axis of the bore does make for some interesting challenges with regards to scope adjustment. Usually my maximum shooting distance is 17 yards; those are my long shots. My short shots are 12′ to 24′. So my challenge was to figure out how to be right on at 17 yards but still be able to be accurate at 12′. 😕
The answer for me was a 4X Bugbuster. It is right on at 17 yards. At 24′ I use the 3rd mldot down from the main horizontal crosshair. At 12′ I use the top of the bottom post, I put the top of the post where I want the pelllet to go and gently press the trigger. This is what works for me.
It took me months and several different scopes to figure this out. The point that I am trying to make is be patient. There are many great people here who will help you along the way. Keep asking questions and trying different things. The Talon SS is a great airgun; you just have to figure out what works for you.
Good luck and enjoy!
A Chrony will rule out velocity problems. A stock TSS will shot CPs @ 830fps. If velocity is inconsistent, POI will be all over the place and you’ll be pulling your hair out trying to figuring out what going on. Make sure the barrel set screws are tight (two on the left side and two under the forgrip). Scope rings and mounts are tight. When closing the breech make sure it’s fully seated/sealed on the top hat.
With the straight line profile of the gun the scope sits high, that’s unavoidable. Adding a Wokbutt or Morgan butt pad will help.
If you have the distance to play with, try zeroing at 30 yards with the CPs. Then move the target out to 50 yards. There should be little if any change in POI. Reason: at 30 yards the pellet is still traveling upwards. At 50 yards the pellet is starting to fall making the apex around ~40 yards. This is on the condition the pellet is traveling at 830fps
A TSS is very accurate out to 50 yards. At 30 yards one hole groups are achievable.
I have now ordered a chrony, but it’s not like POI is changing all the time, only at different ranges. I can shoot one whole groups no problem but then a few yards back the POI is off, I just don’t know how to make the scope consistent with the different ranges.
Your frustration is understandable, especially with a new gun that you’re not familiar with yet.
A Chrony will rule out velocity problems. A stock TSS will shot CPs @ 830fps. If velocity is inconsistent, POI will be all over the place and you’ll be pulling your hair out trying to figuring out what going on. Make sure the barrel set screws are tight (two on the left side and two under the forgrip). Scope rings and mounts are tight. When closing the breech make sure it’s fully seated/sealed on the top hat.
With the straight line profile of the gun the scope sits high, that’s unavoidable. Adding a Wokbutt or Morgan butt pad will help.
If you have the distance to play with, try zeroing at 30 yards with the CPs. Then move the target out to 50 yards. There should be little if any change in POI. Reason: at 30 yards the pellet is still traveling upwards. At 50 yards the pellet is starting to fall making the apex around ~40 yards. This is on the condition the pellet is traveling at 830fps
A TSS is very accurate out to 50 yards. At 30 yards one hole groups are achievable.
I am using Crosman Premiers. Same fill pressure every time. It just seems like the pellet path and the scope are making a huge X. When I zero at 20 yards now at 30 yards it’s already 2 mildots off. WTF am I supposed to do it’s getting annoying. I just wish The scope could be closer to the gun, but then the tank is in the way and I’d have to turn my head completely horizontal.
I do not have a chronograph so I have no idea what velocity the pellets are going.
It is too close so I ended up zeroing it at 25 yards, and I doubt I’ll ever shoot anything closer. Now at the furthest distance possible on my property (about 50 yards) I aim up 3 mildots.
The collar my dog is wearing is a little electric collar for our electric fence. Harsh, I know, but she knows the boundaries now and she never actually gets shocked.
Three mil dots at 50 yards seems excessive. Your gun might not be putting out the velocity it should. Do you own a Chrony?
When you do zero, stay consistent. Same pellet, same PW setting, same fill pressure etc. I zeroed mine at 30 yards with BKs. CP ballistic’s behave just like BKs only higher velocity. So with these two pellets the gun shots a flat trajectory from 30 to 50 yards requiring no correction. To shot closer then 30 yards requires UP correction. To shot farther then 50 yards requires UP correction. KISS – Keep It Simple Stupid
You’ll also find if you zero the scope with CP or BK pellets which are domed, any flat or hollow point pellet will drop faster over the same distance.
12 yards is the only practical distance for me to zero at, due to my small yard. I only have maximum of 25 yards to shoot. I know my gun good enough that at any distance up to 100 yards, i could hit a crows noggin every time. If i want to do long shots i go out to my friends place in actin, CA. There is room for 1000 yards shots there, and his nearest neighbor is 2 miles away.
I see, it’s a hard thing to write in words.
It is too close so I ended up zeroing it at 25 yards, and I doubt I’ll ever shoot anything closer. Now at the furthest distance possible on my property (about 50 yards) I aim up 3 mildots.
The collar my dog is wearing is a little electric collar for our electric fence. Harsh, I know, but she knows the boundaries now and she never actually gets shocked.
IMO to have the scope zeroed at 12 yards is too close, that’s what lasers are for.
When my TSS was stock I had it zeroed at 30 yards. At that distance the trajectory was flat out to 50 yards. If I needed to shot closer then 30 yards, I used the mil dots for correction or made a note of how many “clicks” of elevation where required to bring the scope back to zero at a given distance. After a little practice, practice, practice, this will become second nature to you.
BTW whats the collar your dog is wearing?
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Here’s where you can buy one: http://www.cabelas.com/link-12/product/0003682220713a.shtml
It attaches to the metal plate on the tank and looks like this:
http://www.talontunes.com/id4.html
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