How to decock the Condor SS—-
I am starting a new thread on this so as not to piggy back on some one elses thread below about his Condor SS being hard to cock.
I did this mod to my Condor SS so I can cock and de-cock anytime plus the safety does not reset automatically. You can go back to the original setup at anytime as nothing is actually changed.
On these new guns you can see the little toggle link sticking up inside the gun if the breech is removed. When you cock the gun it forces the safety back and sets it. When the breech is closed you can then take the safety off to fire but you can’t open the breech and pull the trigger because the breech pushes on the toggle which pushes the safety back. The top pin in the frame where the front of the breech would be is the pin and all it holds in is this little toggle link about 3/8″ long. I just drove the pin out and dropped the toggle out then reinstalled the pin. Here are some pics.
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Just got my Condor last month 12/17 and problems right out of the box. Bolt locking half way up and the safety getting stuck on. Thanks for the pictures, made things real simple to do. Oiled everything the best I could up in the trigger mechanism and bolt. Trigger and bolt are much smoother and easier now. Going to be modifying stuff anyway so the heck with the factory warranty.\
Thank You
It sure is nice… my other guns will have it done before they go out next time in the field. Going hunting, seeing your quarry and the they disappear before you can shoot, and then you are stuck with a cocked gun ! Not any more !
wll2506
On a major side note:
I have used this de cocking feature over and over since I did it, I can work on my gun and I don’t have to fire it….I can say I don’t know how I functioned before without doing this !!!!!
wll2506
Continued 8-31-16
All my Condors now have the un-cocking unit removed … I’m all smiles ;- 0
It sure is nice… my other guns will have it done before they go out next time in the field. Going hunting, seeing your quarry and the they disappear before you can shoot, and then you are stuck with a cocked gun ! Not any more !
wll2506
I finally got around to “de-lawyering” my TalonP and I knocked out the auto safety toggle too. Love it! Thanks randy_68 and all other contributors here. Now my TalonP works like my other guns and I believe it to be an operationally safer gun without the auto-safety feature, given the new ability to simply de-cock rather than accepting discharge as the only means to to de-cock the gun.
I really don’t want to have parts all over the place as I can’t find a parts manual anywhere. But, it is something that needs to be done
As a Side Bar !
I load the gun without cocking it, and that way I have a pellet that is ready to go once cocked, of course you still can’t unlock the gun, but it is faster than cocking, and loading for that all important first shot.
wll2506
Well I was Wrong as Hell in that May 27 post !!!
I took off the tank, put the PW on O, cocked the gun, took off the cocking arm and took the breech out. Then I tapped out the pin from the right side and the de-cocking arm came right out ! Put her back together (pin from the left side) and she was good as new.
Having the de-cock feature is a huge deal, and I really did miss it. There are times I do not cock my other Condors because I know that if something did not show up I would have to shoot it out and I do not want to do that, those days will be over for all my Airforce guns. The safety is now manual so when you cock it you must be aware of that.
I did this today with my Condor 257, my .25 Condor Field Hunter will be the next gun followed my the others.
wll2506
I did not drift out the de-cock unit like I said I would as I want to watch someone do it, How hard do you have to push on the hammer to dislodge the de-cock arm ? is there any other thing attached to that pin, that if it falls out will be a pain to put back in ?
I really don’t want to have parts all over the place as I can’t find a parts manual anywhere. But, it is something that needs to be done
As a Side Bar !
I load the gun without cocking it, and that way I have a pellet that is ready to go once cocked, of course you still can’t unlock the gun, but it is faster than cocking, and loading for that all important first shot.
wll2506
wll2506
I agree. I have a new TalonP and haven’t even had time to shoot it yet. I suspect that the safety will still work as expected after removing the toggle. It should work just the same as my Benji 397 and 392 after I modified them–safety will work but the guns will discharge out of breech too, if the trigger is pulled (safety not selected).
Well no replies, but soon as I get my new Condor SS… the very first thing I do will be to remove that toggle arm and make her so I can de-cock the gun —– A MUST on a hunting gun, IMHO !
wll2506
When you take out the pin and remove the toggle, is that pin running through the safety at all or are the safety and the un-cock two independent items running on two separate drift pins ?
wll2506
Only pull the trigger for decocking if necessary pointing the gun in a safe direction.
Do not trust the safety as it is a mechanical device!
These are safety rules!
Now, with the safety on, it “should not” shoot while the breech is open.
If you mod the safety to prevent this, you are just looking for trouble in my opinion.
Cheers
Chris
Don’t Rely On Your Gun’s “Safety” ……. and this is not only my option.
It doesn’t matter if u have a safety on your gun or not, all guns should be considered and treated like it’s loaded even if u think it’s not.
ALWAYS keep the gun pointed in a safe direction.
This is the NRA primary rule of gun safety. …
more on safe shooting for yah …….
http://www.nssf.org/safety/basics/index.cfm?segment=true
~ Greg
Keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to fire.
Only pull the trigger for decocking if necessary pointing the gun in a safe direction.
Do not trust the safety as it is a mechanical device!
These are safety rules!
Now, with the safety on, it “should not” shoot while the breech is open.
If you mod the safety to prevent this, you are just looking for trouble in my opinion.
Cheers
Chris
I too wish to know, if the safety is on and the breach is oped and being “De-Cocked”, will the gun fire if the trigger is pulled or is the safety still working and you are safe ? An important question for me.
wll2506
Anyone who has experienced “M1 Thumb” from intimate use of the Garand Rifle can likely appreciate the attributes of this mechanical feature!
Yeah–I’ve had M1 thumb. :3: I didn’t get it from operating the rifle, however; I got it when taking chamber measurements with a Hornady/Stoney Point Gauge. My thumbnail turned black and eventually mostly fell off, but M1 thumb won’t kill or seriously injure ya’!
I just purchased my first PCP air gun (a TalonP) and, to be clear about this mod and understand it better, could a forum member confirm that the physical risk of the hammer falling on an open breech is a similar injury to one’s digits, if they are in the way. I guess the hammer/striker would snap the breech closed and pinch the fingers against the spin lock ring and frame?
Especially when it is so easy to touch off the trigger when fully seating a heavier pellet into a tighter fitting barrel lead/chambering.
If one always sets the safety to “on” immediately after cocking without fail, (which I do by habit on all manual safety guns and I prefer a manual safety, because it reinforces this habit) then there is no additional risk to defeating the operation of the TalonP automatic safety, right?
As others here no doubt agree, I think being able to de-cock a gun offers more significant safety advantages than an automatic safety. However, the relative merits of safety features to the user and a product liability lawyer are very different things!
Also as others have pointed out, the ability to de-cock a TalonP can save air and pellets. I cut-off the trigger blocker from my Benjamin 397 and 392 air rifles to permit de-cocking. I believe the ability to de-cock the guns results in improved safety, and air and pellet savings too. (You can leave a Benji MPP gun fully charged indefinitely, if improved exhaust valves are installed.)
I know this is an old thread, but it still seems to be active and I would like to confirm my beliefs about the safety mechanism and an open breech discharge in the TalonP.
Thanks,
-Cal
It’s locate inside of the breech and after punching out it’s pin with the gun upside-down flick the safety on and off and it should fall right out.
~ Greg
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Randy I bookmarkd this post so I could find it again,BUT the darn picture are not there now?is there a way I can find and keep the instructions somewhere?i like pictures :biggrinn:very helpful thank you for posting!! Ah! Disregard I found pics on the second page!