How to decock the Condor SS—-
I am starting a new thread on this so as not to piggy back on some one elses thread below about his Condor SS being hard to cock.
I did this mod to my Condor SS so I can cock and de-cock anytime plus the safety does not reset automatically. You can go back to the original setup at anytime as nothing is actually changed.
On these new guns you can see the little toggle link sticking up inside the gun if the breech is removed. When you cock the gun it forces the safety back and sets it. When the breech is closed you can then take the safety off to fire but you can’t open the breech and pull the trigger because the breech pushes on the toggle which pushes the safety back. The top pin in the frame where the front of the breech would be is the pin and all it holds in is this little toggle link about 3/8″ long. I just drove the pin out and dropped the toggle out then reinstalled the pin. Here are some pics.
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Yes, you bring up another important issue that I havent seen addressed….. Be sure if ya uncock not to double load. At least its not as easy to double load an AF like some other guns!
Went on my first groundhog hunt recently with my new TT Condor in 22 cal. and the issue of the automatic safety and inability to de-cock came into play. When I go out with my firearms to hunt groundhogs it will be for 3 to 6 hours. I never walk around with a round in the chamber until I see a groundhog and then chamber the round. This only takes a couple of seconds to do this and I take to shot.’This is of course for an extra level of safety. If I can’t take the shot I don’t fire off the round I just remove it from the chamber and put back in the magazine. With my stock Condor I would have liked to be able to do something similar. When I first went out with the Condor I had a pellet in the breech and hammer cocked. You never know when you will walk up on a groundhog and you need to get the shot off quickly. I of course did not like the idea of leaving the hammer spring cocked for possibly more than a couple of hours. So at times I would shoot off the pellet and go to my sit and wait strategy near a likely groundhog den. The idea was I would have the time to load the pellet and not have to leave the hammer cocked for long periods. I saw this post awhile back and decided to remove the auto safety feature today. Now I can do something similar to my firearm routine. That is load a pellet and de-cock the hammer, like having no charge behind the pellet. When I see the groundhog or other critter just cock the rifle and take a well aimed shot. It must be well aim with this single shot rifle. The only thing to remember is to fire off the pellet in the breech if no target presents itself at the end of the day. Much thanks to all that came up with this modification and contributed to this post. I plan to go out later today and do some hunting wish me luck. Airgun Bill
[quote=”Olschool”]After spending the weekend shooting and hunting with both my TalonP and an old style Talon SS in .22, I really liked being able to de-cock my .22. As soon as I got home I looked up this thread and “fixed” my TalonP. Thanks for sharing the info
Yes, a very cool randy_68 posting.
I’ll also try to keep the pics in my Photo Bucket for as long as I can.
~ GKU
After spending the weekend shooting and hunting with both my TalonP and an old style Talon SS in .22, I really liked being able to de-cock my .22. As soon as I got home I looked up this thread and “fixed” my TalonP. Thanks for sharing the info!
Although many people dislike or question the reasoning of this auto lockup safety, I think that many are missing the main point of such design consideration.
It isn’t so much the assumption that the operator is incapable of properly manually operating the safety or is negligent in proper operation sequence or decision of deployment, so much so that they’ve deemed it necessary to design auto deployment of the safety.
Rather it has been designed that way specifically to prevent the existence of the very same mechanical attribute that allows you to uncock the gun in the very first place. The condition that allows the trigger to fully release the hammer and fire the gun with the bolt fully open or not fully closed and full battery. The safety ramifications of this condition and risks, pro vs con and the ability to uncock the weapon, it very well is prudent choice to institute the auto locking safety into the design. Anyone who has experienced “M1 Thumb” from intimate use of the Garand Rifle can likely appreciate the attributes of this mechanical feature! Especially when it is so easy to touch off the trigger when fully seating a heavier pellet into a tighter fitting barrel lead/chambering.
FWIW… I currently have my auto safety disengaged to allow for decocking.
Just be careful not to inadvertantly trip the trigger with the breech open!
NEVER FIRE THE GUN WITH OPEN BREECH
Be extra cautious whenever objects are within the open breech area such as: YOUR FINGERS when loading and seating a pellet.
I’ve done that once accidentally when the gun was unloaded…..still don’t know what I was thinking….Have I damaged something?
thanks
Damage to the hammer would be unlikely . The breech would be greater likelyhood of damage. The greatest damage possible from firing without a valve present would be an scenerio or event where the whole inner striker assembly just shot out the back of the frame and crashed onto rhe ground. (Spring, hammer, breech) flying outta the back end of the frame. Possible injury too……
If ya inspect the mechanics of the operation, it will be clearer what happens when there is nothing such as a spinlock bushing, valve body, tophat and tank to terminate the path of travel of internal parts when unsprung.
Its really much more difficult to describe than to view the overall simplistics of it.
Anyways , congrats and enjoy your new air rifle . Get out there and start shooting it, soon it will all be old hat as you familiarize yourself it quickly becomes les mysterious.
Hello all. I am a very new ( 2 days) Condor ss owner and I have question about the decoking issue.
I am familiar with taking things apart and putting them back together; but lets say I do not want to remove this linkage out of my Condor. If the hammer is cocked back, would it damage the hammer assembly to “dry fire” it without the tank ( and top hat valve) installed on the frame? I know that dry firing some guns are not recommended, and firing a springer without a pellet would damage the air chamber, but would this apply to the Condor?
Sorry if the question seems ignorant. I am trying to find out all I can about this beast I now have in my possession.
Thank you and take care all.
Ya know, I had to just think about that and realized, I dont know how the collar is configured on the quick release non-spinlock tank configuration? I have only owned the spinlock style with the ez fill foster fitting style.
I would assume that it isnt as pertinent here regarding the auto safety engagement when cocking. As these guns are all post 2013 with a newer revised frame to incorporate the newer enhanced trigger and safety fire control group which is different than the old styled frames anyways….
You are correct, the setscrew is what holds the collar in place.
Remove the collar and the bolt/breech handle and you should be able to slide the whole innards out the rear, once ya get it past the hammer release sear. (Might require ya to depress the trigger,while the auto safety is tripped or deactivated.)
From the picture, I see a set screw in the left side of the frame holding the spinlock collar and it appears to be a 2013 rifle. It appears the spinlock collar is not removable in an older rifle as easy since it does not have this set screw.
I just looked at a video on the new Air Force rifle and it answered my question. That screw does remove the spin lock assembly on the new rifle and is one of the changes on the new rifle.
You must remove the bolt knob and the spinlock/collar nut from the rear of the frame.
Although many people dislike or question the reasoning of this auto lockup safety, I think that many are missing the main point of such design consideration.
It isn’t so much the assumption that the operator is incapable of properly manually operating the safety or is negligent in proper operation sequence or decision of deployment, so much so that they’ve deemed it necessary to design auto deployment of the safety.
Rather it has been designed that way specifically to prevent the existence of the very same mechanical attribute that allows you to uncock the gun in the very first place. The condition that allows the trigger to fully release the hammer and fire the gun with the bolt fully open or not fully closed and full battery. The safety ramifications of this condition and risks, pro vs con and the ability to uncock the weapon, it very well is prudent choice to institute the auto locking safety into the design. Anyone who has experienced “M1 Thumb” from intimate use of the Garand Rifle can likely appreciate the attributes of this mechanical feature! Especially when it is so easy to touch off the trigger when fully seating a heavier pellet into a tighter fitting barrel lead/chambering.
FWIW… I currently have my auto safety disengaged to allow for decocking.
Just be careful not to inadvertantly trip the trigger with the breech open!
NEVER FIRE THE GUN WITH OPEN BREECH
Be extra cautious whenever objects are within the open breech area such as: YOUR FINGERS when loading and seating a pellet.
You say you can remove the hammer and breech from the rear. I do not see how that is possible as they are longer than the space available to remove them and they will not pass through the rear of the rifle where the tank attaches. How do you do it? Unless it is only possible on the 2013 Airforce rifles.
Nice Info…thanks :4:
Great info! getting to know my new gun. So many great tips on this site :8:
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Lower the power wheel setting all the way down.
Cock the breach (gun).
Remove the air tank from the gun.
Remove the tank collar.
Slide the breach back, you can remove it if you want but it’s not necessary.
Place the safety in the OFF position.
De-cock by hold the hammer with a dowel through the breach and de-cock the gun.
Punch out this pin from the right side only.
Turn the gun upside down.
Use the dowel to push the hammer back a little to release the pressure on the device.
This anti-de-cocking device should fallout, or it may need to be wiggled a bit.
Reinstall the pin from the left side, this pin is directional and it goes in only oneway!
Cock and de-cock to check.
Cock the gun and set the safety in the ON position.
Reinstall the air tank bottle.
Happy shooting or I should say happier shooting!
~ GKU
p.s. Be careful when removing this anti-dic-cocking device if one forgets to close the breach before firing. Now, it’s kind of like forgetting to pull up your zipper after dic cocking, anti won’t be there anymore to zip it up for you !
Where is the “de-cocking link” located? Where is it going to “fall out” from?