I’m Under-whelmed….
AF hasn’t had an original thought since they developed the basic design.
There have been SO MANY improvements made by the shooting public on this brand, that it’s almost difficult to bring all of them to mind at one time.
How has AF reacted? They improved the trigger safety mechanism. Made a Talon SS Junior with their “pistol”, and now made a “Talondor” (Escape) years after our forum member perfected the idea with a full shot count, and power to spare. AF still couldn’t get it right…they put a tiny air soft tank on this Talondor clone, made it as loud as a powder burner, and ruined it’s true potential.
Long after we made the Condor dead silent, they still can’t get past some ancient design baffles, and shroud designs, to simply cut the discharge blast.
AF is a fun gun to play with. But…you will never recover your cost in mods, and I guarantee that after you have taken the expensive “Mod An AF” hands-on self taught course, you WILL want to move on to a quality pcp. Just consider the cash invested, but lost at re-sale, as tuition to learn the basic of how to mod a pcp. Then move on to the big boys where top quality is the starting point!
Shame. So much potential, so little incentive in their shop, to make the AF line a top end pcp instrument at the get-go. It’s bad news when Crosman/Benjamin beats you at your own game, and at a lower cost to boot. Two American success stories cut off at the knees by their own R&D department. When will either of these companies learn to listen to their owner/users???
Hoot:
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‘Burner…you are a blessed man!
Every now and then one of us finds the exact gun he needs, that does precisely what he wants to do with it. Most of the rest of us stumble through one gun after another, searching for something we can’t quite define.
Good for you my man…good for you!
Hoot:
Wow,
Well it is what you make it, if you want to spend a ton of money on a gun , go ahead, but don’t bitch about it.
you dont need to spend anything on the condor to make it accurate, except bore or metal polish , and a bunch of elbow power
spent 450 bucks on the purchase of mine, bran new , already had the scope and rings.
If you cant do thing s yourself i suppose this is where you would have to spend money.
i built my own shroud, and butt , these are the only things i have changed, beside polishing everything and porting the valve.
Bought the gun in 24″ 22, still is in 24” 22, does the job very well.is very accurate .
The only thing that i am not satisfied with is if i want to shoot a very precise long shot count application, so a regged bottle would take care of that, i would think, with a very long shot count with peak consistency
want to get a regged bottle one of these days
each to there own
that new thing they came up with i don’t know about :dito:
edguns , crickets , they are cool for sure, but i’m not in the market to spend 1500 for an air gun , but im glad you guys are, i love reading about it, they are for the most part perfect, they have their issues also,shot count is yummy, accuracy superb , but the condor will shoot right with them.peak accuracy takes work with the condor
besides i like the condor, it will change to what ever i need ,(if i ever wanted to change it) really i need to buy another one to change around and such, so i can leave mine alone.
i would like to set up a 177 to see what could be done with it,like a field target set up,
everyone goes for more power, i have used 177 for so long to take care of my varminting, that the condor in 22 is way more power than i need. I use 14 grain pellets in the low 900s
You guys ever have a rifle that shot so good that you didn’t want to touch it.
I’m with you man. The regulator really is what is getting to me. I’ve flattened out my string as much as I can and I don’t see even half the number of edgun or cricket( don’t know any other reg guns number as I haven’t researched them). I recently have been taking shots out to 130-150 yards in glass bottles and it is awesome. But dealing with a bell curve isn’t too fun at those distances. If you want to upgrade slowly and don’t want to drop the 1800-2000 and up for a high end pcp, than airforce is the way to go. They shoot great and are accurate but leave much more to be desired.
Hoot,
I have been saying this for some time, and got lambasted because of it.
It is like that part of Texas that makes these guns is infected by Chinanytys. They can copy some of the mods here but the execution comes up a poor second.
But they did make the Condor SS sound like a ball point pen falling on carpet, I know this because I read it on a rather famous blog.
Next year they will probably put the 22 CI tank on it, as I suggested to them this past year before they introduced the Edge series.
I’ve easily invested the cost of an Edgun in my Condor. But I bought a gun, not shares in a stock fund. I could care less what it’s worth to somebody else. It’s worth it to me. Pry my cold, dead fingers off my Condor sorta thing. Nobody recovers money out of a hotrod.
None of this justifies the hoopla over new options for the TalonP. Next year we get the Star Wars Edition Edge?
John
So true, I could have bought an Edgun with the money I invested and didn’t recoup when sold. It was a very expensive lesson. But I did learn a lot about how airguns work and had fun modding them. I see guys trying to get $1800 for a condor that’s fully tricked out and shake my head knowing that in short order the price will drop accordingly just as I did so a year ago.
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Thanks Hoot!
Just lucky,
i just have to many other hobbies to try and keep up with, to go nuts with air guns, (although i could sell a bike for one of those crickets ??) Nah!
but my condor does take care of all my other air guns duties really well, the laser on my condor takes care of point blank range that i used to pick up my M 34 RWS open sighted springer in 177 to dispatch close critters , and the condor just runs away from my M 48 rws in 177 in the power department for any range.
My condor is like 46″ long, i would like to get another set up in a shorter package one of these days, when the interest hits me again.
But really , when my condor in in tune it absolutely amazes me , two three shot in exactly the same hole at 50 yards, hell it does it at 100 yards, i have a couple of targets that it cut 3 shots in not exactly one hole but ragged hole then the other two open up the group.
I think that this could be done with most of these rifles, just polish, and allot of rounds down the bore, smooth and slow.