Is a regulator really necessary for Condor? If so which one?
I have a Hatsan AT44 .22 monoshot I used always connected to the scuba tank and benchrest and I think this setup is ok for 100yd and need no regulator.
Now I bought a Condor .22 and I´m really confused about the necessity of a regulator for this airgun. I´m going to shoot it offhand from 20yd up to 130 yd. Is a regulator a “must have it”?
Ok, assuming a regulator is necessary … which one is the best? Altaros? Etacreg? I even found out the Jdsairman sells one (http://jdsairman.com/Airforce.html) but in their website there is just its description, no photos:
New Product
jdsairman is now offering 3000psi input and 1000 to 2500psi Regulated output HPA regulators that have metric (M18-1.5) threads that screw directely into AirForce Condor,Talon and 3000psi input AF reg 1000 to 2500psi Regulated Output = $90.00
All opinions are welcome. Tks.
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If your gun is putting out less than 12fpe now, the regulator should not change your FPE. It fits between the valve and the bottle. The regulator does not by itself, increase energy.
Send an e mail to Plachý Ondřej about it. I’m sure he knows how to ensure your output needs as he sells his product to a world wide market.
Good figures those, we need to get a licence from the Police in the UK to own an airgun putting out that sort of power and if going to those lengths most of us decide on a 22lr.
If I’d not already bought the regulator I would have tried the one you recommended, I just didn’t realize when I bought it that it needed an adapter.
For your gun I’d recommend an Altaros regulator. I’ve got one on my .22 Condor and I get over 70 shots at 900fps using 18.1g JSB’s on a 3000psi fill.
Easy to install. Cost is 130 euros.
This is the link to the Gunpower regulators
http://www.altaros.cz/regulators/gunpower-airforce-condore/
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Hi to all, first posting on here, I’ve been looking on this site for a few years now on and off, but only recently got into modding my UK rifle, a Gunpower Stealth.
The reason I’ve posted on here first is because I bought one of the regulators mentioned, the JDS regulator.
Now I bought it without realizing it doesn’t have an adapter, so tried to get an E-tac, only to be told they had non in stock, he’d email when he had one. But I’ve had no emails, or any replies to my emails, so I think I need to explore a different avenue, and I thought I could maybe use the CO2 adapter instead? Does this sound possible?
Now I see he’s posted on his site he won’t be making any more adapters this summer 😐
I have a .22 Condor with 48 ci + ETacReg (overall length almost the same size of AF tank). As expected, it gets heavier and bigger around as Doug said (but that´s not an issue, since the ETac is angled down). The reg. is adjusted at 2200 PSI, performing almost 100 regulated shots.
True, but just don’t think I can bring myself to do that.
Might be ugly, but you don’t have to go traipsing back to fill it as often.
Good Idea, I am going to talk to Jim about that. As for the 48ci tank I saw that option, but it is just to darn ugly.
You can use a 48 ci or a 62 ci tank. The 48 ci will make the LOP shorter than a condor bottle. With the 62 it ends up just a little longer. Yes they are bigger around but with the etac it is angled down. You get more shots also.
If the 400 CC tank does not fit the valve, I am certain that Jim Gaska can make a regulator for you that would adapt such.
Thanks for the info. That is quite the group, I am jealous. I actually ended up calling Jim Gaska today, and he told me that he is in the process right now of making an externally adjustable reg! I am thinking that 3.5 inch’s added to my pull is going to be to much for me. So here is what I am wondering now…FX makes airguns with 400cc tanks, approximately 4/5 of a condor tank, if by chance they are the same diameter that would make them about 2.5 inches shorter then a Condor tank. I am wondering about the possibility of getting the 400cc FX tank and putting it on my Condor. I am guessing, but don’t know, that the Condor valve would fit into the FX tank. Does anybody know if this would work? On the FX sight they have airtubes that appear to be just the tube and no valves, they don’t show a price though.
The ETAC reg adds 3.5 inches of length resulting in an overall distance between buttstock and trigger of 17.5 inches. Perhaps you could preview the fit of this on your Talon SS by cutting a 3.5″ length of 1″ plastic pipe and squeezing it between your tank and your frame while you shoulder your rifle. My .22 Talon SS is disassembled right now for mods but here’s a photo of my .25 Talon with the reg installed; all the dimensions from the buttstock through the forearm grip would be identical to your SS except for the extra bit of barrel sticking out on my Talon. Notice that I have the canted model of the ETAC which drops the butt a bit and offsets it to the left. I found that I could get a better cheek weld to the scope with this setup without having to contort my not-so-young neck quite so much. There is a straight pull version available if you prefer that.
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So you may get a glimpse of the accuracy potential of this setup, here’s a 5-shot group I fired at 50 yards last week. I have recorded a number of groups measuring around 0.4 of an inch c-to-c at 50 yards but this quarter-inch group is a new personal best for me and for this rifle. I was using JSB 25.4 gr Exacts clocking around 810 fps. I have found that accuracy degrades when I exceed that velocity much whether I’m using the .25 Talon or the .22 SS. Since you have the Condor model, you will undoubtedly have to search for the right pellet that will provide accuracy while managing the high energies of which it is capable but experimentation is why these rifles are so fun to mess around with. I’m guessing you’ll end up with a heavier pellet and a reg setting higher than my 2,000 psi if you are using a heavier pellet. Jim Gaska is a great source for initial setup recommendations. While the ETAC reg isn’t as easy to adjust as some others, after I took it apart it a couple of times I find I can open it up, move the washers around, and close it back up in about ten minutes. The main drawback is you have to empty the bottle to do this.
I hope this helps. I know you’ll have great fun with your new rifle.
Steve
Steve, I recently got a Condor SS in .25 and I am interested in getting regulator (probably the JDM). I am pretty small though and I am worried about it adding to much length to the pull. How much length does it add, and is it possible that you could post a picture with it on your gun?
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“I’m not sure how the JDS is adjusted. I thought I read somewhere with shims or washers?”
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Here’s a photo of the stack of spring washers inside my JDS regulator. Pressure is adjusted by flipping the washers: for more pressure, nest more washers, for less, have more of them facing each other. Of course this requires disassembly of the regulator to get to access the washers which isn’t nearly as convenient as a screw-adjustable reg. But once you have it where you want it, there’s no need to keep fiddling.
Mine came preset to my desired pressure of 2,000 psi and I haven’t tried modifying it but I understand it is a trial-and-error process. The seller, Jim Gaska, said if I ever wanted to change reg pressure I could return them to him and he’d adjust them without charge.
http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag69/schorn01/th_JSBRegwashers_zpsc04db2b2.jpg
(This is my first attempt at posting a snapshot, hope it worked.)
Adding ETACs with regs to my Talons has made a huge difference in their sometimes maddening inconsistency. Instead of a narrow power band down around 2,000 psi left in the bottle where accuracy was markedly better, I now have consistency of velocity and POI throughout the full range of pressure in the bottle. I can’t imagine ever owning another PCP air rifle without a regulator.
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I’ve been trying to find a supplier of a adjustable regulator and adapter with the 48 ci tank complete and haven’t gotten a reply yet. I am hoping to fill the tank to 4500psi and be able to adjust the pressure to each pellet I try for groups. Boy some of these suppliers are really just fooling around with this stuff I guess. The guy in europe seems really experienced but hard for me to understand and it’s probably the same for him with me. The one pictured above looks good to me.