New pellet vid. unlocks flyer mystery!!
World renowned airgun guru “Ted in Madison” coming out w/vid showing
pellet head size the culprit behind “flers” Hoot may be right,who other
than an Alien could have solved this age old AG problem! :party:
Looks like we will all be looking for head sizers.Check it out on his
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RC,
ive an easy solution to all the undersize pellets,
send them to the guy who has a .25 barrel that is actually .24 and change…guess who that is? 😀
OG,
how long ago did you get that BSA on your gun?
i think it is high time i slugged the barrel, its tight and im sure around .243, but dont know exactly. 😕
Roach, I agree on the JSB shortage. I have them ordered and they were supposed to be in 5-30-12. I just got a email stating they are now expected 6-12-12.
I have a few tins of 22 and 25s left but, it is nothing to go thru a tin of them in a day at the range. I think that the increased demand for the 25 pellets has caught JSB by surprise.
Dave,
Yes you can and you can have one made to custom size at Lee Precision, takes about 3 to 5 weeks and they are $35.00. I tis a simple die with a ram and works in a hand press that cost $20.00.
Thats the good news, the bad news is you can go down in size but you can’t size up with a Diablo design. To go up in size you have to swage, not size per say. With a straight sided bullets and swaging, you start off with a smaller diameter slug or jacketed slug and each step takes it to a larger diameter, but the hour glass shape of the Diable would make that impossible for swageing.
With your skills I also believe you could make one easy enough, whether it would be worth your time considering the low price is the question.
For me, it is why I got into 25 caliber cast bullets, it was a long and at times a frustrating journey, but it is paying off in spades now. If I reclaim my lead, and I make my own air, shooting is now close to free for me, but that is after thousands of bullets.
Not all rifles lend themselves to cast bullets tho, you need to run them fast enough to work, and not all polictical entities may not allow such power.
Now if I have reject cast bullets for my Condor, I remelt them and cast them again, question is what do we do with all these pellets that are not the correct size?
Problem I have now, as an independant person is that I love my two FX Royales, but this 25 King shortage has me wondering. ❓
Regards,
Roachcreek
I think that the sizing of the pellets is much more important than the weight.
Should be pretty easy to get a pellet sizer and sit down and size a tin of 500 in about half an hour
We are all accuracy fans….
but weighing each and every pellet in so many tins is about the most boring job in the world.
BUT… yes I weigh and sort. I am a bench rest shooter.
Not wanting to cast the custom slugs just to plink, I’ve been running JSBs and one tin of Kodiaks through a .244 sizer for my Barnes Maverick. I’m certain the head sizes are all the same. This morning, a squirrel became certain too.
I’ve watch the video several times trying to draw a conclusion to the best pellet to sort from. Would it be safe to say there isn’t one?
I’ve got gray tins with 5.52 stickers on the back as well as the current UPC bar code label. I also have the current red label pellets.
I really have no way of measuring pellets at this time. I simply have to test by tin and can’t say that I’ve noticed a consistent good – bad difference in any of them.
The rifles I use are AF and marauders.
If you want to measure something with pression you have to use a micrometer.
I have $200 calipers and they only go to .0005″ and are +- .001″.
Micrometer reads to .00001″ and are +- .00005″.
I only meassure with calipers to get a idea. Everything I make on the lathe I use micrometer.
Thanks Ted!
As before I already told you I don’t weigh my pellets anymore.
I’ve done several tests with that weighing that at this point I’m convinced that 1.030 and 1.040 grain does NOT have influence, or that much influence on 100m indoor range.
But the pellet headsize, yes! I was already convinced that the grey tins were not the same anymore then the new tins, and this proves it!
Thanks for the testing, but.. As I am a great accuracy fan too, will go ahead and curse every god when I have those flyers, because I don’t have a sizer 🙁
Thanks Ted,I have used AA,greyJSB,redJSB,and most recently the
Edgun pellets,all 18.1 all “5.52” marked.I have never seen them in
any other head size? Pyramyd lists other pellets like the Barracuda 21.1
but not JSB,what am I missing? 😕
Ted, the Edgun pellets are conspicuosly absent considering these are
made for the Edgun barrel.If you would like I would gladly send you
a couple of hundred to try.I have done limited testing at 50yds. and
could maybe give them a slight edge.Thanks again great work much
appreciated! Regards,mark ps. thanks OG for links and info.
Hey Ted, thanks for the video. Very interesting!
I weigh all of my JSB pellets and separate them by 0.1 grains.
I have a BSA barrel fitted to my R3 25 long. The BSA barrel is actually .243” groove to groove depth, and not the .250 of the original barrel. Since I fitted the BSA barrel, I notice that I have a lot less fliers with the 25.4 grain JSBs than I got with the stock 25 LW barrel. I think that the BSA’s .243” barrel sizes the pellets down to .243 and removes any head size difference.
I have tried the small Lee Precision hand press and their sizing dies to resize weight sorted JSB pellets before shooting them. http://leeprecision.com/reloader-press.html
And the dies are here: http://leeprecision.com/reloader-press.html
That is not the proper sized die; I just included the link so you can see what I am posting about. Unfortunately, the die size that is needed is not a stocked item and it takes around 3 weeks to come in. The dies are $32 shipped and you can order any size that you want. I have a .248. .249 And a .250 die that I will be testing.
The only time that I got to try the Lee press and dies was on a slightly windy day. The sized pellets shot at least as well as the unsized and maybe a little better. I am waiting for a less windy day to try again.
The Lee press and dies could be something that you guys with a LW barrel might want to try.
I have a very unscientific method of checking the head diameter. I open my Starrett caliper to .200’, lay the pellet down on the opening and then slowly open the caliper and watch for the pellet head to drop thru. It doesn’t damage the pellet’s head and the reading seems to be repeatable after trying the same pellet a few times.
I got a 12 tin 25.4 JSB order from PA in a couple of months ago. They are in the new red topped tin. The pellets that I got in might have been made on a different press but, the head and skirt sizes are more uniform than the grey topped tins that I compared them to.
Great video Ted, thanks for all the time and effort you put into making them. Best airgun channel on YouTube. 😀
Maybe one of TAG’s machinist extraordinaires could make a no-go gauge for pellets. I’d be a player. 😎
Yeah, I had a hard time too, I got the skirt measurement by doing it length ways and the head by side way measurement, many, many frustrating times. 🙄
Slugged bullets are easy if the number of rifling is even ie 2, 4 or 6, and cast and sized bullets also, I do them all length ways.
But if I am having a mold made, I send a well packed slug for my barrel in to the mold maker, so the mold and the bullet is measured by the same instrument during manufacture to avoid error.
RC
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I too have a .25 BSA barrel and I feel that one part of its excellent accuracy is that the bore is slightly tighter than other makers.