Opinions wanted; big bore, "big" budget
budget: 2500-3500 (gun, scope, hard case)
gun is for:
KILL ground hogs, wood chucks, whistle pigs… whatever you want to call them
plink with AUTHORITY! (Cartman voice optional)
needs:
MUST be “backyard” quiet, must be able to put a ground hog down HARD and FAST out to 100 yards, open to cast slugs but wont “roll-my-own”
shot count: cant lie, i just couldn’t do a 3-5 shots per fill 4500psi .50 Cal but i don’t need that for ground hogs. i think a 25 shot MINIMUM isn’t asking too much
i wont be going out in the field with this so there’s room for a LDC (oh wait I’m not @ The Yellow) for a shroud/moderator
I guess all the .30(3) talk has got me chomping @ the bit to go big bore. I was able to restrain myself (thank-god) when the Rogue came out but with Daystate & FX and quite a few custom options out there and some inheritance cash…
This isn’t my first (or last) gun I have a Greg D. tuned, Mike A. stock(ed) Mrod, a stock Prod, and THIS cluster-f 3rd hand TT .25 Condor
The Condor has the power but Ive never been able to get it accurate.
hope i hit on all the “FAQ” in these threads; apples to oranges what do you want the gun to do etc etc
I have the chance to “invest” waaay more than i would normally even dream of dumping into a pellet gun so i want it to be a good’un 😛
So throw out your thoughts / experience.
Just for example
Ive been kicking around the new .30(3)’s and love the Daystate power but the FX shot count, accuracy, noise and price weigh heavy in that fight but what if: Wolverine + extended air-tube & Shroud, shooting Surefire Slugs. (Tony, Jerry think’n .30(3) yet?)
What ever came of TT’s big bore hunter?
.257 ?
thanks for the input
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Maw, the price of the Boss is $1995 for the synthetic stock, $2195 for the Walnut.
FX first showed the Boss at a major European gun show last March. At that time, they said that it could shoot at up to 120 fpe, so, if FX wasn’t exaggerating the power, it has been turned down somewhere along the line. My Boss cocks real easy and I hope that the regulator can be turned up and the hammer spring tension increased or the spring replaced with a heavier one.
I have asked AOA what was done to the Boss to detune it; they claimed that they didn’t know. They did tell me that the regulator could be adjusted but, they wouldn’t tell me how because of “safety and liability” reasons.
I plan on putting a Hart .257” center fire barrel on my Boss and I hope to be able to shoot 45-55 grain cast bullets at 900 fps or higher with 15+ regulated shots.
Did you see the post on the yellow shooting different distances. It grouped like a shotgun at 150yds.
LMAO-Joey I here that FX calling you, whats the price tag on one of those anyway, they are one hell of a gun, shot count is what gets me on those things and a fairly good amount of power, but then again the Daystate, crazy maddog accuracy, but none better then the 257, in my book, well what’s it going to be we are all waiting of course we don’t give a rats ass but we are crazy at least I speak for myself, and anyone owning more then 1 airgun. Maybe you should just flip a coin and embrace the outcome or pull a tag out of the hat.
It will get the job done at the short ranges I shoot at in my back yard. If I can kill a raccoon with a .117, 7.5gr pellet at a 100 foot head shot, I’ll bet the Lelya will do the same with a .22, 14.5gr pellet at the same distance.
Besides, If I want performance, I’ll have Jim Gaska put a 36″ Smooth Twist barrel on it, so my performance will equal Roach Creek’s Haley .257!
Or, I just might leave it alone, and shoot it as it came from Ed’s mind.
Kindest regards,
H 😯 😯 T
Indeed, you can put a longer barrel. But! Lelya comes with regulator. To gain higher pellet speed you will need to re-configure regulator. And here comes troubles, bcoz you will need a device to measure pressure inside regulator chamber. Also, this may lead to replacing hammer and valve springs. Admit, that 36″ barrel will make Lelya huge, so whats the point of using Lelya than? 😀 Lelya is a nice gun, but every gun has its own aims 😉
“what makes you happy”… a question for the ages. how the F am I supposed to know?? LOL we’ve all been there: if i could only have X, THEN i’d be happy. get X. look around, if i could only get Y THEN…
I understand where your coming from, ive only got 40 “notches” under my belt but ive tried to make them as full as my logical and be careful mind will let me. (sorry gett’n off topic a “bit”)
LOTS of options for 100yd hunters, i get it.
will i ever kill the “but how does a FX shoot/feel” question in the back of my mind?
is buying a “pellet gun” really just an exercise in self understanding and philosophy?
so many questions…
keep the thoughts/input coming
Joey…
Don’t over think the problem.
Next year someone will come out with an air gun that shoots forwards and backwards, at the same time. We’ll never get our fill. So live for today, and get whatever your impulses tells you to get.
There is no correct answer to your question…there are LOTS of correct answers to your question.
Regards,
Saintly ‘Ol Uncle H 😯 😯 T
PS: Today’s words of wisdom: No one really gives a rat’s ass what you end up doing…because it won’t affect them one way or the other!
It will get the job done at the short ranges I shoot at in my back yard. If I can kill a raccoon with a .117, 7.5gr pellet at a 100 foot head shot, I’ll bet the Lelya will do the same with a .22, 14.5gr pellet at the same distance.
Besides, If I want performance, I’ll have Jim Gaska put a 36″ Smooth Twist barrel on it, so my performance will equal Roach Creek’s Haley .257!
Or, I just might leave it alone, and shoot it as it came from Ed’s mind.
Kindest regards,
H 😯 😯 T
Being biased is easy for me. I have something that LIKE YOU didn’t work but now it does. Or shall i say, it worked the majority of the time cept when it really counted and i learned a few things about it as of late. I was probably holding the gun wrong the majority of the time anyways and Airforce should not have made a gun that’s so damned flexible…lol! So 50/50.
The gun in question……..My Talon frame with a Condor bottle. The TalonDor 257.
I would honestly put my TalonDor 257 up against both the FX and the Wolverine. I honestly don’t think either of those guns have the steam or accuracy out past 125-150 yards. Its still something missing with the ST barrels in my mind. They have great short range accuracy but when stretched out past 100-150 yards, the groups suffer it seems as noted by numerous post on ST barrel and long range shooting. Not really sure if it has enough SPIN IMO! But that’s a whole nother debate.
So, to answer your question. If i were you, and Doug offers the job, i would convert my condor (YOUR Condor) to another caliber instead of jumping on YET ANOTHER NEW AIRGUN BANDWAGON (Boss and Wolverine). Now, in saying that, i actually like both of those guns and if i had money coming out of my ass and i use it as toilet tissue, i would own both as well as my 257 plus a Beaumont and numerous other guns. But, why do that when you already have a platform sitting right in front of you that can easily surpass the power level of both the Boss and Wolv. by a minimum of 50 FPE!. And my 257 shoots bullets too. Bullets with a SLEEK profile. 308 caliber is another damned gun option for your Condor conversion. The 308 with enough pop and fizzle could even take out hogs (porky pig) as well as smaller game. Just giving you some Food for thought.
THE FUTURE IS IN CAST BULLETS!
I believe that pretty soon, airgun manufacturers are gonna start to see the light in bullets and at LEAST offer a couple more gun in their line ups that can propel bullets. As a matter of fact, Shin Sung has been doing it for a while now. But again, that’s a whole nother matter.
So i say, convert what you got and pocket the rest of the savings and let the FX and Daystate 30’s have a little more time in the field. Besides, by 2013 or 2014, there will be a version 2 of each of those guns and then everyone will wanna buy those also……lol! Look at what happened with the Evanix FULL AUTO GUNS. Here today, gone tomorrow……….
If youre budget isn’t à problem look for the Drummen SINNER
It’s powerful and accurate and there are some different stocks to chose from.
Ah, good ol’ Uncle H00t, spittn out words of wisdom.
“what makes you happy”… a question for the ages. how the F am I supposed to know?? LOL we’ve all been there: if i could only have X, THEN i’d be happy. get X. look around, if i could only get Y THEN…
I understand where your coming from, ive only got 40 “notches” under my belt but ive tried to make them as full as my logical and be careful mind will let me. (sorry gett’n off topic a “bit”)
LOTS of options for 100yd hunters, i get it.
will i ever kill the “but how does a FX shoot/feel” question in the back of my mind?
is buying a “pellet gun” really just an exercise in self understanding and philosophy?
so many questions…
keep the thoughts/input coming
Lelya is nothing but a Veles (Pistol) in a bullpup stock. Short barrel won’t let u to have high FPE and small cylinder will limit your amount of shots. Lelys is good for birds at 50 yards, but critters at 100 – I doubt that.
Yes dyotat100 is Doug
You don’t need to buy another condor. All I would need is the frame, forearm grip, and trigger parts. Everything else I would make or supply.
You can get 65 and 87 gr slugs from hunters supply. I cast my own from the Lyman 65 gr mold that come out 73-74 gr.
Up to you on what you want. I’m trying to get away from pellets and making my own slugs. Don’t have to worry if JSB changes there specs. Plus sometimes it’s a waiting game when they will be in stock. Who knows what the .30 pellets will do when you only have 2 guns using them.
Buy what makes you happy!
However, Bull Pup is right on about power of the Condor. If you put Jerry’s solid 6-Ring slugs in it, it would stop any living, moderate sized, critter at 100 meters. Regulated, you simply decide whether to shoot it in the left or right eyeball.
The key is whether you want the lowest cost killing machine for the buck, or want a higher priced, fully equipped, high end rifle that exceeds your needs, but warms the cockles of your black heart.
Unlike just a few years ago, we now have almost too many choices for what we want to shoot. Check out RC’s post on his Haley .257 being built. That’s just amazing performance.
I am determined to get an Edgun Lelya 5.5mm to do the -100 foot slaughter that entertains me. I could sit in my bed and nail critters all night. That’s good when you aren’t getting around too good anymore.
Have fun…life is short!
H 😯 😯 T
80 is jonesn boys he wants one of those one of a kind 74grain shootin rods in his stable.
Easy guys! Don’t add any more to Doug’s plate…80 Grit’s waiting to get a taste! 😡 😎
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Wow that seems cheap for such a nice gun, I thought maybe hundreds more, so maybe when I sell my car, if ever, I’ll get me one, so you want the extra barrel, can you change back and forth or is it a big deal to change barrels, I am going to check the price on the Daystate, cause this is getting interesting. Oh forget the Daystate 2400 and only 25 cal. already got a 25, FX is very tempting, the power raised just alittle would be nice, they got you stuck buying a certain ammo though and I bet it is not cheap, 257 is winning out heavier ammo faster speed and more assortment of ammo.