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"RISE" of the TalonDor 257 (pic heavy)

I know…..the title is all dramatic huh? LOL! As the title states, I have brought the old talon/condor back to life and even gave it a well deserved caliber swap.

Back Story (short version): I purchased a Air Force Talon in 22 back in 2005. As most Talons go, it came with a 18″ .22 cal LW barrel. While being a fun gun, i found it difficult to reach “WAY OUT THERE”. Because i hunt in the desert (so cal), I needed a gun with more oomph! So I bought a 24″ LW 22 cal barrel along with a Condor tank. Along with the longer barrel and Condor tank, i performed some tuning that i learned here on the TAG. The gun was pushing 22 cal Eun Jins at over 1075 FPS in 22. To make a long story even shorter, I then purchased a 25 cal barrel and breech and top hat combo for even more power. The gun was a thumper to say the least. But after all these mods and a LOT of hunting, I was never truly satisfied with the all out accuracy of the gun. After some years of ownership of the TalonDor 25 and the introduction of the Rapid25, I retired the TalonDor in about 2008 or so. Here is a old pic of the TalonDor:

Present day: After much pondering and taking a look at “WHATS” out there, my taste have turned to long range shooting with airguns. I mean, I’ve always done long range shooting with airguns since i started in them but, I’ve always wanted something that was not only powerful but, something that was accurate and had looks. I also wanted something that shoots BULLETS and not pellets. I mean, if your gonna go long range, why not use the right tools. And while pellets can travel far, they simply do NOT outperform bullets. The Daystate Wolverine had come to mind but, it’s a odd caliber with odd weighted bullets for the power plant. So i got to seriously thinking about what caliber I would want. I already had a 454 and a 457 and a 308. It wasn’t until RJ Porter post that it hit me………hmmmmmmm……….257! Why not? I had already done the big and medium calibers so why not a small caliber. And the idea was born. But what gun could i do this in. My Dragon Slayer was already in 454 and it’s very successful in that caliber. The Corsair can’t be taken apart (yet) so it was out. Both of these guns though make 250 FPE and are perfect candidates as a base. But I did not want to change or mess with those platforms as they both perform. And it wasn’t until one day, i was in the garage cleaning up that the idea hit me………….THE TALONDOR! WHY NOT!?

DYOTAT100: In comes Doug Noble or DYOTAT100 as he is known on this forum. I had been following his work and post and had found out he lives right down the freeway from me. I PM’d him about being interested in performing my “ideas” on my TalonDor. He was more than game and more than up to the task. GAME ON!!!!!!!!!!!

My Ideas:
The concept for this gun was simple. I wanted a long range rig. Something that could shoot accurately to OVER 75 yards! The same gun could easily reach out to 200 yards also. And do it accurately. And using the Air Force platform would be a stretch (no pun intended). The caliber would be 257 with a barrel that had a fast twist to keep the bullet stabilized while reaching out. I also wanted a 1 piece bushing for rigidity while in the frame. Doug also came up with the idea of a custom “tight” fitting frame end cap. For even more rigidity, I contacted Adam Vigil here on the TAG about his WOKGUARD15. I also ordered a DPMS AR15 pistol grip with beaver tail tang that I had to trim down to help support the bottle of the TalonDor. I got rid of the old custom pistol grip. I also decided to relocate the forearm closer to the Wokguard15 so everything in the vicinity would be fully supported and create LESS frame flex. I also had Doug install a second bolt into the forearm for more rigidity. The gun also already has a Tri-Rail. A new hammer weight, hammer spring would also be added to the gun. The hammer weight is of the Bore Riding design and made of brass.

Here are some pics of all the custom parts and the gun completely assembled:
OEM TRIGGER GUARD

WOKGUARD15


OLD PISTOL GRIP and TRIGGER GUARD

DPMS ADJUSTABLE PISTOL GRIP

CUSTOM KNURLED ALUMINUM/DELRIN COCKING KNOB

AIRFORCE BIPOD PAINTED WITH TRUCK BED LINER

OLD FOREARM PAINTED WITH TRUCK BED LINER




CUSTOM 95 GRAM BRASS HAMMER WEIGHT

CUSTOM PARTS ASSEMBLED ON 257 BARREL

RELOCATED BUSHING SET SCREWS-6 TOTAL-3 ON TOP/BOTTOM RIB

GUN ASSEMBLED WITHOUT SCOPE AND BIPOD

BULLETS OF CHOICE: LYMAN 65 GR FLAT POINT BULLET MOLD IN 257

OVERVIEW AND PERFORMANCE OF GUN ON ITS MAIDEN OUTING:
Needless to say, I am extremely happy with Doug’s work. His work is as nice in person as it is on the forums. I learned a lot about the Air Force line of products through Doug. Having a machinist or gunsmith run through these guns is pretty much NECESSARY. But on to the positives. I made a video of the gun while out on its maiden shooting session so I won’t go into too much verbal detail. But I will say that the gun is a performer and it lives up to my expectations. My initial groups printed in the 5/8″ CTC range at 60 yards. I was also able to print a 1.050″ CTC group at 110 lasered yards while shooting a small resettable popper target which is in the video. The gun also performs best at power setting 5-8 and 3100 psi and makes 132 FPE at that setting. The gun also has a bit of a kick and is pretty loud. But that’s ok, I don’t mind loud especially when the gun performs.


HOLD SENSITIVE:
Yes, the gun is very hold sensitive. Like most Air Force guns, she required a light hold. A snug hold makes the gun groups horribly. The gun also prefers PURE LEAD bullets over hard cast or bullets that are cast just a lil bit harder than pure lead (???????)

THE GUN FULLY ASSEMBLED

FUTURE MODS
All silver will become black (lol). The Morgan Adjustable butt pad will soon be replaced with a WOKBUTT

THE VIDEO:

General Chat

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Tof,

I just tried some of the 257420 in my stretched 25 TalonSSS with the 17 inch barrel and Doug’s valve.

I had purchased that mold more than a year ago, and at the time tried sizing them with Lee alox, the results were dismal.

So I got to thinking how much better the Imperial sizing wax has been working, thanks Jerry, and I sized some to .255 with the ISW.

They were also pure lead.

I shot them as they came from the die, with the wax on them at 3400 PSI. I got just about 850 FPS, figuring it was 843FPS, 9 feet from the chrony, and two 3 shot groups were .550 and .628. and that was without a rest, just resting the rifle in my hands off the Mercedes at 40 yards.

I tired the RCBS 90 grain cowboy mold and it seems to be too heavy for the twist on the LW.

Regards,

Roahcreek

Ced,

I have your Wokbutt bead blasted and will powder coat it tomorrow and get it sent off by end of week 😉

Okay, thanks Ced! 😎

80G,

Sorry bro. I’m getting old and i forgot to say who makes the barrrel. Its from TJ’s BARREL LINERS.

MODS:
TJ BARREL LINER in .257 cal – 1/14″ twist – .250 bore x .257 grooves
1 piece 6061 Aluminum barrel bushing for internal rigidity
Barrel bushing attaches via top/bottom w/3 set screws on top and 3 bottom
Custom fitted/made Frame Endcap to fit frame and barrel tightly to aid in rigidity
Power Wheel trued and stepped to accept new spring
9.4 lb main spring
95 gram BRASS Hammer Weight with hammer slap mod – barrel riding
WokGuard15 added for rigidity and looks
DPMS AR15 adjustable pistol grip trimmed to allow bottle to sit on top of it
Forearm now attaches to frame in 2 places instead of one. More rigidity.
Barrel and all internals centered and trued inside of frame by Doug
Aluminum stippled cocking know with delrin insert (thanx Doug)
New Breech (thanx Doug)
Port Holes in valve stem now are .170x.190″ and oval
Super light valve return spring (been in the gun for years)
Tri Rail for rigidity (been on the gun for years)

NEW WOKBUTT COMING SOON (COME ON ADAM…DAMN IT….lol)

I think that about does it. Except i havent decided which scope i’m putting on it permanently. To be determined at a later date.

Tof,

That is sweet bro! Doug is taking some great long range strides for sure!!!

In fact, he is about to build me a valve and 53ci tank combo that will be cherry I’m sure.

This brings me to my next question…who did the fast twist barrel for you?

I am going to use Doug’s hopped up valve to increase the speed of my seven rings in the hopes of tightening up the groups at 100 but ultimately I may swap out this LW barrel….

Adam,

I like your idea. I think truing the frame, then making custom parts like barrel bushings to fit the TRUED frame would be the way to go. I’m starting to see that the same thing PB gunsmiths do to guns is what airgun /machinist tuners need to start doing. BLUEPRINTING. Probably why AZ makes some of the most accurate Rapids.

The gun also held Point of Aim from one week to the next which is a great sign.

quote Tofazfou:

Nate the Dog………..THANK YOU SIR VERY MUCH :8:

RC: Thank you sir. I have a lot of new opinions about the Air force line of guns. NONE of them and i mean NONE of them have the same internal diameters. Mine was a tad over 1″ I.D. and it was oval shaped on the inside.

I was always tempted to set up a jig for the frames and then push a precision bearing down the tube with a hydrolic jack to get it sized to a consistent ID.

I know some paintball barrel mfg use this method to create a concentric smooth bore.

Nate the Dog………..THANK YOU SIR VERY MUCH :8:

RC: Thank you sir. I have a lot of new opinions about the Air force line of guns. NONE of them and i mean NONE of them have the same internal diameters. Mine was a tad over 1″ I.D. and it was oval shaped on the inside. Doug was kind enough to pull out a few stock barrels and bushings along with different frames from his customers and on some of them, you could not get the bushing in one frame and in some others the bushings/barrel “FELL” into the frame and wobbled horribly. So my views of the Air force guns now is that I’m not sure if its frame flex or simply parts not fitting the frame correctly. I also know and can tell everyone here that for future work on your Air force guns, the complete gun needs to go to Doug or to whomever customizes your parts. They have to be custom fitted to your individual frame. The guns need serious blue printing.

RC: Yes sir, during that video i was pushing my 72.5 gr FP’s at 900 on the money. I have since modded the port holes on the valve stem from .160x.170″ to .170x.190″ for a velocity now of 920 FPS! Groups have also tightened up a bit as you can see by the picture i took during yesterdays range session and last weeks groups. A little speed goes a long way…….lol
Yesterday at 920 FPS and PW5-8

Last week at 900 FPS and PW4-8

OG: Thanx Sir. Ummmm…….let me go measure it really quick…………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………43″ exactly. It will probably loose a inch or so once Adam sends me the WokButt, i think.

Tof, lookin good!

What is the OA length now?

Tof & Doug,

A lot of good mods there.

I can’t help but wonder how much a WOK style trigger guard with a extended forearm hanger to negate the influence of the frame attached forearm would help with frame flex..

So your getting around 900 FPS with the 72 grain bullets?

RC

WOW! My top hat’s off to you, bro. The build, photos, shooting, and video were over the top. :8: :8:

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