Regulated air using CO2 adapter
I got my eTaCO2 from Jim Gaska yesterday and tried it out today using a 48 cubic inch steel air tank with a 1850 psi regulator. I don’t have a working chronograph right now but I am sure it sends the 22 caliber pellets downrange faster than the CO2 does because they go all the way through the layer of duct seal. They never went that deep with CO2. I also think that Jim’s eTaC02 gives a little better performance than the AF CO2 adapter, it is hard to tell because I can’t switch back and forth. I sent my CO2 adapter to Jim and he switched the valve over to the eTacC02 for me.
The eTaC02 from Jim Gaska and the regulator.
My Talon SS with the regulated tank and my $47 eBay Leapers 4-16x56AO SWAT scope that came yesterday.
25 yard target, I was pretty wobbly today so it wasn’t the Talon’s fault. Also it was a tin of CP pellets that I had spilled all over the garage floor and swept up with a broom. I noticed they didn’t shoot as good in my 2240 after I spilled and retrieved them. 
I filled the tank up to 2500 psi then shot 76 times. When I started to refill it the needle was just a hair over 2200 psi when the check valve in the regulator clicked open.
When I get a chronograph I will be able to see what kind of velocity I’m getting.
My Talon SS is one of the early models. Here is the end cap off of the shroud. Notice how it is threaded, it is held in the shroud by a insert with female threads that is held in place by a grub screw.
The seller on eBay said the scope was for parts or non-working, said it was blurry. I saw they sold thousands of items every week from store closeouts so I took a chance on it. I figured they didn’t take the time to read the manuals on everything they sold. After UPS delivered it yesterday I saw it was like brand new and the AO turret was set at 10 yards. This is the clearest scope I have ever looked through, better than my Burris, as long as the AO is adjusted properly. The only problem I found was that the IR would light up briefly and go out but there was an extra battery in the box so I replaced it. After that it worked just fine.
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Hoot, that was wonderful!
Some may call you a big BS’er, I would not dare say such a thing.
Simply, because I appreciate a tall story well told, and yours are great.
I find I like you more each and every day, keep up the good works.
😀 😀 😀 😀
Yea, like the porn sites, I like the science channel too!
Dr. Pablouk, is a very private individual, who incidentally did early work at the Large Hadron Collider, in the R & D part of the project, specifically the identification of High Energy Particulate Electro-Magnetic Containment Coil Protocols, and Bio-Hazards. He has also written a number of treatises on the determination of UltraHigh-Energy Particle Bio-Interactions. Most of these we won’t understand, but he is a Professor Emeritus at the School of Biomedical Sciences located at Ulster, UK. So, we just take him at his word.
Please be careful, and respectful, when addressing Roscoe Pablouk, PhD. He’s reserved, but helpful. Like most UK scientific types, not much on humour, with a tendency to speak his mind bluntly, when the occasion arises.
One of his stranger undertakings was the determination that biological cellular activity includes “High Energy Particle Bio-Harmonics”. This delves into the properties of Neutrino waves.
Since they are negatively charged particles, their frequency can shift other particle frequencies, if proximity permits, and can be used to negate those wave forms that emit frequencies audible to the human ear.
Or, as he wrote: “ …nutrino wave change properties, either in vacuo or in matter, implies neutrino mass and mixing. Thus, the very strong evidence for audible wave change makes a compelling case that neutrinos have nonzero masses. Owing to the possibility — unique to neutrinos — of Majorana mass terms, the physics underlying neutrino mass may be quite different from that underlying the masses of the quarks, and charged alewife configurations. In addition, if Majorana mass waves are present, the neutrinos are Majorana particles, thus allowing close proximity bio-molecular wave altering properties. (ie: In the audible frequency wave lengths between 20Hz on the low side, and approximately 20,000 Hz on the high side.)”
In other words, as he explained it to me, organic materials can be manipulated to cancel sound audible to humans. While there are no weapons potential in this factor, it does have extremely unusual properties involving common products..such as airgun shrouds.
Dr. Pablouk, an air gun hobbiest, to prove a point to a colleague, fabricated a high carbohydrate, edible pcp airgun shroud, which completely cancelled muzzle frequencies, in the fore-mentioned ranges low/high, and then ate the shroud to the amazement of the attendees.
He and I met in Bankok at a seminar on the Higgs Boson, in May of 2009, to discuss the commercial possibilities of this one-off application of his research, but the great, as so often happens, are laid low by the realities of common laws, rules and regulations.
The lead dust accumulation in the carbohydrate molecules, exceeded maximum allowable world government health regulations by a factor of 0.13 ppb. Just enough to kill the project. Probably for the best. The edible shroud had to be chilled to -9.10K to change the frequency effect.
That’s just too cool for most individuals tastes, at least in the Western European countries, and the US/Canada.
Interesting member background. There are some very bright individuals on this forum…and some exceedingly ignorant ones as well.
Kindest regards,
Kindly ‘Ol Uncle Hoot 😯
His brain is like the Higgs Boson. We’re pretty sure it’s there, we’re sure it has mass (now calculated to be between 114-145 Gev) and without it all the other stuff out there doesn’t make much sense.
What are you, some kinda freakin scientist..a Higgs Boson Particle?
My brain is like the LHC, lots of junk shooting around in there, but things only come together once in a million times.
Yea, like the porn sites, I like the science channel too!
You have been around a little while and the secret to the pcp airgun universe is A SHOEBOX COMPRESSOR which gives you unlimited hpa. I don’t think you have one, but best investment you can make if you shoot alot. So nice to not ever run out of air. At some point im time your gonna get tired of shooting Co2 or 1850hpa and its big tank ang get all caught up in the MORE POWER thing.
MrNewbie don’t worry about going off topic, it happens to the best of us.
I also blew the o-ring on my first day with the regulator. My wife called me in and said something was going off in the safe. It was the tank leaking out.
I don’t have any problems with it now that I fill the tank through the foster fitting on the regulator after I screw on the CO2 adapter. It would be nice to be able to take it on and off without dumping the pressure though. I use the E-TaCO2 and can see well enough through the scope, it is the weight of the steel tank that is more bothersome. Even with the 24″ bbl and moderator it is butt heavy. I noticed that the small carbon fiber tanks are more spherical in shape. Maybe an aluminum tank would be better.
I decided to use the steel tank to refill my discovery and will go back to using the CO2 with the E-TaCo2 adapter. I was looking for reasonable power and a high shot count like I get in warm weather with CO2.
If you know the secrets to the universe you can easily get a trillion psi with CO2 but I found that pellets melt when their velocity approaches the speed of light. The molecular structure of lead changes and fusion occurs changing the pellet to a plasma ray capable of destroying large asteroids and small planets. While it is a lot of fun, it really pisses off aliens in other galaxies. I have no proof of this claim but since I posted it here you can accept it as fact.
First off, sorry for ranting so much on your thread, Hoot got me, but I do know he is a good guy..so don’t take any of it to heart.
I have done the same thing..except it blew out the oring on the HPA tank and the whole tank dumped all its air. I even when out and bought 2 tanks, only to find I could not put the Co2/HPA adapter on, just like you.
Co2 is fine for plinking in the basement or backyard, and so is your 1850 HPA tank and it has enough power for hunting, but that damn big tank just drove me nuts.
Good luck
I found out that I need to install the CO2 adapter on the regulated air tank while it has less than 1000psi pressure in it and preferably empty. The first time I used the tank I screwed the adapter on after I had filled the tank. The adapter threaded on so far then stopped, I thought it had bottomed out. Instead it had barely pushed in the pin valve and the pressure made it impossible to screw on, or off, any further.
I went to shoot CO2 one day and found the adapter was on so tight I couldn’t get it off. So I remembered the penny-in-the-fill-adapter trick posted here and tried it, except I drilled a small hole in the middle of the penny first. When I went to let out the air there was a loud sudden WHOOSH, then a constant quiet hiss. The pin valve was barely opened and was throttling down the air flow. So I bled the air out of the tank, screwed the adapter back on as far as I could, THEN filled it with air. The performance was better and shots more consistent afterwards.
If you are like me and thought you would be able to easily switch back and forth between regulated air and CO2, well you’re wrong.
Hoot is never wrong you fool.
The laws of physics just don’t conform to his way of thunking sometimes.
His brain is like the Higgs Boson. We’re pretty sure it’s there, we’re sure it has mass (now calculated to be between 114-145 Gev) and without it all the other stuff out there doesn’t make much sense.
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Your results are impressive, but HFC, I have never tried to duplicte your results and I never questioned your results and they are not a matter for discussion! Just another one of your tangent tactics that have nothing to do with this discussion..like way out from left field
You say 2200fps with a Co2 tank..OK I believe you
You are NOT GONNA STEER this discussion any more..I WILL NOT LET YOU!
They have absolutely nothing to do about anything in this discussion.
I believe you shot a pellet at whatever you claim…I don’t even care.
I don’t care if you fancy ass equiptment cost 10,000$, once again it has NOTHING to do with this discussion. Your diversion tactics will work no more
You claimed 1600psi from a paintball Co2 tank..I believe you..(if you fill it to 80%), but not a standard 33% fill.
I will say it…I WAS WRONG a standard fill is 33%, I researced it a little.
I’m calling you out old timmer PROVE IT, 1600psi or be a man and say I WAS WRONG.
I have never(till last post) called you Needdick, numbnuts..Dickweed..or made cracks about you jerkin on your keyboard….
Well the Hootadam1977 one..but it was funny.
You have ALWAYS throw the first stone and took the low road. If you wanna go that route, ok I’m cool with that. The Gloves are off now.
I will say again…YOU FUCKIN PUSSY, YOU BIG FUCKIN PUSSY, YOU BIG OLD FUCKIN PUSSY!
Quit talkin about and bringing up crap that has nothing to do with the question! You complete last post has NOTHING to do with the topic
You pussy, DONT bring up your goto line “I’m even remotely a reliable source of information on this forum, then you are more full of shit than I amut how your a dummy an anyone that listens to you is ”
I have been around a year or so and have seen this line from you before.
No, no fuckin gracefull bow out..say it you old fart!
You said 1600psi on a paintball Co2. I say its 850psi. Which is it?
BE A FUCKING MAN AND SAY IT!
Perhaps at this point I should quote some wise Chinese proverb..sorry can’t think of one that has any RELEVANCE
You know Hoot, you remind me of my wife. She has never, will never, and just plain is not capable of saying….I’M wrong. I have had 28 years experiance dealing with such things so I understand that you cant say..I WAS WRONG.
I will try and simplify it for you.
A)1600psi
B)850PSI
PICK ONE!
Hey walk, perhaps making this thread a sticky may be a bad idea at this point, haha
Look, Needle-dick…..
If you can’t duplicate my results, in bed, or on the range, then give yourself an enema, because if you think I’m even remotely a reliable source of information on this forum, then you are more full of shit than I am. Having said that, I admit I am damning you with faint praise!
There are many individuals on this forum who will testify to my overwhelming ignorance, and total lack of facts! And these people are my FRIENDS….I won’t begin to approach what my enemies would say, and they are legion in number.
Now, go grab the little woman, break off a piece, have a cold beer, watch some Bevis and Butthead re-runs, and chill out.
By the way, my Talon SS, with a 12″ barrel, using Co2 in an AF tank, at an undisclosed temperature & fill, obtained 1650 psi, hurled a 14.6gr pellet at 950 fps, and generated 29.27 fpe, as measured by my Scientific Instruments [b] Chronographer-Manometer-Generated Energy Pro, Model 1173,[/b] which cost over $900.00. I still retain that print-out for academic, and “personal best”, reasons of pride!
This specific delicate, triple-purpose, precision instrument, available only to professional researchers and academics, such as myself, simply don’t lie. Yes, this is the same model used in the 2001 Olympics 10 Meter “Shoot, Run & Triple-Jump” marathon competition!
There is no way I could have known that, unless I owned one…and you don’t.
I rest my case.
Kindest regards,
Still Humble, but ever so honest, Uncle H 😯 😯 T
No, I can’t discern that you were just screwing with me.
I absolutely agree, you have for a long time given expert advice. Only being around here a year or so I have taken much of that advice and agree that you are one of the old timers that know just about all. I will continue reading your posts and learning from 99.9% of what you say.
But If see I pillar of this forum(such as yourself) stating a fact that I know not to be true, I must speak up. I have much respect for you old timmers and realize, I can still learn a few tricks from you old dogs.
Ok, now that the niceties are out of the way, and realize that we are all pretty thick skinned around here, I will continue.
You PUSSY, You FUCKIN Pussy,
SAY IT, SAY IT! Not some, I was just messing with you GRACEFULL BOW OUT BULLSHIT , FUCKIN SAY IT!
850psi or 1600 SAY IT!
If you can crack on my chokin the chicken on my puter while watchin porn ..then I can say above! Besides after 28years of married life..I like my porn and I’m not giving that up!
Numbnipples….can’t you discern when someone is dicking with your brain?
It happens here. I often have no idea whereof I speak, but that has never stopped me from giving sound advice to those stupid enough to listen.
Psi, fps, std, Co2, hiv, hpa, fpe, whatever, they are all interchangable. Besides, I was bored.
Kindly ‘Ol Uncle Hoot
PS: Changing hands, when abusing yourself, precludes you from going above the AMA recommended spm, which can cause your hand to fly off, and put out your eyebulb! You can take that to the bank!
Hoot, your a hoot!
You started all this with this silly remark! And ythe one about 1600PSI.
Therefore, whereby, and to wit…..I’m confused when you thistlewits discuss filling a Co2 tank to varying pressures.
Only ambient temperature in the tank determines the gaseous pressure
Uncle “Co2” Hoot 😯
You are confused, we thistlewits were talking about HPA..
Hoot, My only problem with this hole thing is i think you are WRONG.
about a standard Co2 tank having an output pressure of 1600psi.
WRONG
If I say you can’t get a CO2 tank filled to 80%, you would say sure I can.
If I say you can’t get a 3000psi scuba tank overfilled, again ..sure I can.
If I say you can’t get 1600psi out of a Co2 tank, again (well if you fill to 100% you can and I’ll even present a chart to prove it)
In either case there will be a long winded dissertation, telling us all useless yet interesting infomation about your local scuba shop, or some other interesting story about how you once overfilled your Co2 tank to 100%, took a torch to it, and shot a 14.3 grain pellet at 1150fps.
You are a master debater, you pick out some minor point and focus on it, thus pointing the conversation in a new direction.
(master debater), yea almost a joke there.
I agree, you can get whatever % fill of Co2 you want.
I agree, you and I, could both put whatever PSI in out scuba tanks we want. – Local shops are real pricks up here in OH, no overfills for us
My above comment were not meant to be all inclusive..WE ALL realize there are a variety of under the rug ways to get those tanks filled. DIY/Firehouse..ect, but not at your local paintball shop. Because my comments were not pointed enough for you and you chose to harp on them, I will say, ok if you know or blow someone..you can get it filled. You are right!
Forget subverting this thread and the issue at hand to another direction!
I claim a standard paintball Co2 tank with a standard fill makes 850psi at room temp.
I say Whistler went from 850psi to 1850psi hpa, thus a gain of 1000psi
You say 1600psi and a gain of 250ps
PUT UP or SHUT UP! PROVE IT
All you have done up to this point is presented a chart that PROVES my side of the argument that a standard fill on a Co2 paintball tank makes 850PSI, and of coarse entertained us all with interesting stories on non-related topics
Also, I have cleaned keyboard, washed hands…no I like my porn
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