Samyang 909 45 bullet mold

Whatever we choose to refer to those who know what they are talking about, I regard you and Butcher and Doug as people who know what they are talking about and as a result I listen.

But some of those fools and the questions they ask and the stupid threads they start on the Yellow just amaze me.

Then at the same time you can get such profound truths based on experience of some of the poters.

I suppose you have to simply sort the Einstiens from the unwashed ignorant masses.

An it is not just the Yellow, it seems that if you buy a bullet mold and sell bullets, your suddenly a genious at making gut piles, go figure.

RJ Porter of course is not one of those I am speaking about, that hillbilly knows what he is talking about and deserves to sell as many bullets as he can.

Just don’t go canoeing and strumming a banjo in his neighborhood. 😆

Regards,

Roachcreek

Tof,

While I have to admit, I do not know a lot about air guns, a good example is that when I got my Ranger 45, I had no clue on how it worked, I had read your posts, and those posts got me into big bore air gunning, I only had experience with the AF line as far as PCP’s.

My first attempt at casting , was to pour lead down the bore of my cut up Crosman 101 to make slugs for my Ted Williams 150 so I could try and kill Bobcats my Airdale treed at the age of 15. It was a dismal failure, and I did not revist casting until the age of 22.

My wife at the time, what a phrase, would only give me $5.00 per month for shooting when I was a Oregon State Policeman at the age of 22. A Lyman 158 grain SWC mold gave me the ability to make more money by selling cast slugs for primers and Bulleye powder.

Probably the reason I love casting and have traded wives like firearms over the years.

I had that 101 and a 150 as a child, but I had no idea how they worked.

The Conodr and the Ranger gave me my hands on experience.

I always maveled at my fathers mechanical ability. When I was 15, I tired of the 150 and I purchased my first handgun, a Ruger Standard auto. I disassembled it within 15 minutes, could not get it back together and being a red head, got pissed and threw it in the trash. Now I am talking taking out all the pins and the hammer, trigger and springs.

My father came home from his day of logging, laughed at the story and took it out of the trash and reassembled it with in 20 minutes and had it firing.

I am still amased at that feat and his mechanical genious.

I have a history and reputation of being harsh on forums. It is because at the age of 63 I have not gained any more tolerance or patience of ignorance, and when I read the posts of the average air gunner, it just makes me cringe and pisses me off.

Sorry but it is true, and mostly, I have to tell the truth, an that is the naked truth, the city dwelling,” I killed a squirrel and feel guilty”” or “will this kill this animal” just makes me bury my head in my arms.

I am opinionated, I make no bones about it.

But at the same time, I tell it like I see it.

Which of course pisses off a lot of people.

While no “expert” on airguns, I dedicated my life to hunting, reloading and shooting firearms, some of which can be used in air guns, and I love the knowledge I gain in pursuit of air guns.

And when I see an “expert” like yourself or Butcher or Doug, I will probably continue to give you credit where credit is due and for lack of a better word, refer to you and others as “experts”.

Regards,

Roachcreek

LOL!

The word is just a pet peeve with me…..kinda like the word “Master”.

Take Karate “Master” 6th Degree Black Belt Fred Ettish for example hehehe. Watch the video of his infamous UFC 2 “fight” if you can find it.

Your best bet for non-custom .45 molds that drop .4555-.457 boolits like you want for a SamYang is going to be the older Lyman #454*** molds. .45Colt was a nominal .454 back when the #454*** molds were first made, so the slugs tend to drop a thou or two over .454 The RCBS Cowboy designs (or any .45 Cowboy design, actually) should drop them fat, too.

If you are lucky you can find a #45266 (neat boolit that is ACCURATE) that drops just the right diameter……I have an old #454424 mold that I bought because it drops 50-50 WW/pb mix alloy slugs at .457-.458, which SHOULD put the diameter of the near-pure lead stuff at about .456-.457

The mold you settled on has been reported to be one of the better/more accurate shooters in a 909 by far…..that design gave me great shot strings with the highest fpe I have recorded out of my tuned 2tube 909 rifle right at .456 diameter (I think .456-.457 is the target diameter to shoot for). Though it is a roundnose design (i.e. no meplat), making it a poor choice for hunting the larger critters you would typically use a 220grain slug on.

What you need to do is order samples of the various designs out there from the various casters out there, see what shoots best in your rifle, THEN order the mold.

Also, the 180grainer on the AccurateMolds site is an EPP/UG copy weighing 180 grains, whereas the EPP/UG weighs 151-159grains depending on the mold/alloy used. I have never shot the 180grain AccurateMolds design, so if anyone gets that mold I would sure like to try some of them out.

I’m no “expert” (actually, I can’t stand the term as you can’t teach an “expert” anything). I do like to research/discuss things a lot, test things thru for myself, and share/discuss my findings, and the findings of others.

I have a single stage RCBS thats about 20 years old. I use lee sizing dies. And RC is correct. When you order 308 or 257 or 457 or whatever it could be a thousandths off.

I have a few lee molds in various calibers and like RC said…….THEIR JUST OK. But hell, what do we expect for 19.00 bucks…..lol

My .257 custom die sizes bullets at .25775. My 257 bore is .2573+-. So it works.

Castin is just as fun as reloading as just as rewarding.

Dogwood,

You have to call them on the phone, give them the size you want and your credit card info, they are great to work with, but in the end the sizes don’t always match what you told them you wanted.

Look up Lee precision.com, then go to, I think it is custom work, and there you will find the phone number.

I have ordered and received 4 custom dies from them and have used maybe a dozen off the shelf sizing dies they made, and after using RCBS and Lyman sizing dies and Lee sizing dies for years, I really like the Lee dies.

And I am not a fan of Lee products.

Bear in mind, 50 years ago at age 13, I started with a Lee loader in 30-30, 30 carbine and 7,7 Japanese, I have owned so many of their dies and presses molds and furnaces and found a lot of them wanting.

I have had maybe 5 Lee lead pots, mostly they leaked and you could not stop them from leaking at the bottom pour, I did have one permanently mounted over a Corbin Core mold for years that worked pretty well after screwing with the bottom pour every time I used it.

I have had a dozen or so Lee bullet molds, and compared to other brands they are lacking in staying power altho while they worked, some of them were very accurate, they are just not durable for casting thousands of bullets for decades like a Lyman or an Ideal mold will.

But at times they were as much as .006 off on advertised bullet diameter and that is far too much to size down and expect accuracy. The design is suspect on how they come together and lock up and the sprue plate is a terrible design. The best of the bunch is the 6 cavity, sometimes that one works as well as any mold out there, altho I truely don’t understand why because of the quality and poor workmanship with poor materials used for a gang mold.

And part of the quality problem is that it i is an aluminum mold. While I do have a LBT mold that is aluminum, I would rather it be steel or iron, aluminum is just not durable enough for reloading and casting compared to a iron pr steel mold IMHO.

When I started with the 45-70 years ago with a with a Ruger #1, I found their loading die would not adjust far enough to accept a Bullet cast with their own die with a bullet of their own design. I had to alter it to make it work.

I was pissed at Lee ‘s quality before that, but that situation really pissed me off for years,and it still does.

Their primer tool was constantly breaking, I owned three of them at the same time, and had two coming and going for replacement under their lifetime warrantee to keep one running. Yes the do have a lifetime warrantee, but if you have to send it off for months of down time until they replace it, after a while it does not pencil out. Best part of it you can own three or four Lee priming tools because they are cheap, what a concept.

Having said all that, for air gun use, the little portable hand press along with their sizing dies and a tin of Imperial sizing wax, thank you Jerry, are really all a air gunner needs for sizing air gun bullets, and it is far better than anything out there.

I have a Lee RB mold for my Ranger 45, but hell it it is a RB mold so who cares. The last Lee mold I bought was 18 months ago I think, for this AF cast bullet project. It was a custom RanchDog mold that he had designed for the 25 ACP and was advertised to drop a 56 grain SWC 25 acp bullet of .256 diameter.

My barrel is 255, so what could be better? Well to start with the mold was 4 months back ordered and I had that nagging doubt based on their other products track record.

I waited three or four months and it arrived, the bullets were lovely, like I said the 6 cavity molds are the best, but the bullets were .261 and .262. I mean WTF??? RanchDog ahd ordered them cut to .256 and these were .005 to .006 over???

I had wasted 3 to 4 months waiting for a Lee mold that was not made propperly.

I contacted Ranchdog, the owner was on a hunting trip and refunded my money instantly, I had no problem with him what so ever, but my faith in Lee products remained the same as it had always been.

However, all that said, their sizing dies distort the bullet far less in sizing than any other dies out there.

Regards,

Roachcreek