Semi
I’ve found myself investing a significant amount of time and effort on turning the condor into a semi auto, eat all comers, beast.
So I’m now wondering…
Is it just me?
I’ve got 1:1 a plastic (laser cut acrylic) proto going for the feed mechanism, and a working concept for an e-valve that can handle the rpm.
Costs are redonculous, between valves, machined parts, and ic’s I’m looking at more than 400 bucks in parts alone.
As you all know, I’m a noob in many fields.
I guess my question is : Is there any interest, or is it just me?
If there is, I’d love to show you guys the semi proto, perhaps get some feedback?
( I saw the last guy that showed up with a semi concept…I’d rather not go that route.)
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For the record, nobody here ever got smacked down for telling the truth.
You are talking about building the thing, and have shown progress and posted questions. TAG loves prototype rifles, and enjoy seeing the process when the builder goes down that path.
You have NOT claimed it works before you have the rifle built.
If you do that, its considered bullshit, and you would expect to have your ass handed to you. 😆
Oh I fully expect to fail, which is why I’m having so much fun with this project I suppose.
These are what I have on hand for show and tell, back from october/november.
This is my poor, poor condor tank & valve helping me dry fire the valve. The clamps are there because even though I removed the return spring from my valve I found I needed to hold the tophat down to keep her always open.
This is the new one-piece, always open valve, courtesy of Dyotat’s skilled hand and a well placed X-Mas wish.
This is the brains. Pressure sensure hadnt come in yet, but I had a good old time coding the fire control logic using a playstation gun grip I added a microswitch and toggle to (I have to admit this part was quite fun as there were no switches in the part to begin with (you’re supposed to put in one of those playstation wand things) I was able to tune spring rates and trigger engagements to my liking). Disclaimer: No, this is not what I intend to mount to my gun! Its for testing only!
Got any preproduction parts pics?
I don’t think anyone will swoop in for the kill unless they get the feel that you’re lying. Most folks here appreciate people with projects even if it’s not there thing or they don’t expect success.
Good luck with the project.
Ok, thanks for the feedback!
I’ve never heard of Evanix before…thanks for the tip…damn.
My main design goals are reliability, consistency and wide throated specs so as to allow for power power power without sacrificing what seems to the laser like accuracy im seeing on my .22 Condor. (Big bore is definitely in my future).
I’ve broken it down into 3 individual steps pretty much:
-Trigger+Valve
-Feed Mech, Bolt Action
-Feed Mech, Semi/Full
The trigger and all the electronics are done. Right now it all fits into the grip; I imagine the end “product” (for the trigger/valve side of things) being a one-piece bolt-on grip including the battery and electronics, plus a custom valve to be used with any tank.
In my mind the big plus here would be the ability to hot swap tanks without having the personality shift that comes with swapping out the regular poppet valved, hammer struck tanks+valves.
The temp+pressure sensor sends info to the IC which regulates valve timing depending on the conditions so in theory there will be plenty of control over air volume release (I’ve gone up to 66 hz). 3 round burst is very sexy, even when its just air being released.
Flow numbers on paper look good for the e valve but only real life testing will tell.
I’m waiting on a few parts before I can actually live-fire, and if penetration looks good I’d get a chrony to test with after that.
I have two designs for the feed that I’m waiting on $$$ to send off to be CNC’ed.
One is the traditional revolver style (with number of shots depending on caliber) using plenty of that AF proven sliding o-ring thang, the other is a bit more…whimsical, mag-fed and very fuckable in solidworks at least.
My main question when it comes to the feed is:
Do I necessarily need a pin pushing the pellet into the barrel or can I get away with just lining everything up mechanically. Lots of variables here so its just going to take real world proto testing.
And hey, thanks for not smacking me down here, I felt like I stuck my neck out just then and I feel like nobody came in for the kill, thats a good thing.
PS: I’ve been breaking my balls trying to find a 3 or 4 position selector switch that I can mount to the grip to handle the safety and fire select… If anyone happens to know a source of these I would be very very grateful!
IMHO I think the idea of semi auto or even auto gets away from the “utility” concept of the AF rifles. Personally, I like the ability to change barrels and calibers to achieve a particular performance. That’s why I bought one (and a second one later) and have three barrels.
I also think that it would prove too costly to be reliable. An electronic trigger device would have to be designed, developed and constructed. Not to mention a magazine designed, a regulator and an air gauge would need to added if for no other reason, a marketing too.
Add all of this together and we go from a simple, effective, powerful and accurate utility rifle to a costly, complex, heavy, hard to use rifle by eliminating the time it takes to pull open the breech and install another pellet for coolness sake.
Personally, I’d have to buy something like the new Evanix Conquest or at least the Evanix Speed for my semi/auto hunger or even consider the FX line of rifles.
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You’d likely be better off with one of the new Evanix guns. High power with both full and semi auto.
Far as big brother watching…. no worries about that. Those type guns are already out there…. Monsoon, Revolution, Evanix speed… the semi’s have been here for some years now and the sky hasnt fallen yet.
For the Condor and Talons, forget semi auto…. just make a multishot. Be careful though… everyone who has tried has been lost in the abyss….
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I figure I would be interested, just as long as its not like all the other semi auto sissy’s out there that are mass produced… I would be interested in one that handles the bigger pellets or even better slugs and puts them in the sweet zone from 900-1000fps…
Don’t care for the .177 caliber either reguardless of what it does… I like the .22 and .25 rounds best for air rifles and what I do with them… Then I guess, the big question left would be after all that meet, just how quite is this going to be???
Figure the projectiles report can be handled easy enough, just how loud is the action on something like this cool possiblity?
There s a lot of people on here that would love it. So just beware and be willing to show pics. And answer lots of question. And good luck withe it as few have Tryed and not made it.
with enough modification, i could make a semiauto wrist rocket.
if it still looks somewhat like an AF all said and done, look for it to be analyzed like a porno on a deserted island.
good luck, and put your money where your mouth is.
if you cracked the age old taboo of a multishot talon, expect many requests for mass production, and patent it so AF cant steal it and call it theirs(as is the fate of a few TAG-born modifications…
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Looks awsome. Id buy one depending on cost. Any ball park figures atm?