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Shoebox compressor tricks mods for big bore /other gun guys

OK as some of you know on here , i have now well over 200 hours on my shoebox compressor , i wanted you guys to get some inside scoop tricks ,mods that i have learned/come up with so far on running this compressor , i have a ton of hours wrenching on this compressor , also talking to Tom K on the phone a lot , I am a part of his R&D testing /running of the shoebox since i have a ton of cylinders ,and shooting big bore airguns using a ton of air , he has been helping out with things/parts to try out, and test,

OK I think the most important thing you can do is elign the piston rods ,to the cylinder bore holes , and reshape the end of the pistons and polish them , VERY CRITICAL MODS !

Start off by taking the pistons ,and cylinders off, take all the parts out of them / orings check valve , then bore sight the alignment on the pistons to the cylinder bore , you can do this by moving the pistons all the way back on the stroke out , then putting the cylinders back into the main block with all the orings and check valves out so you can see all the way through the cylinder , look through the check valve side of the cylinder use a light behind the other side so you can see how the piston rod alignment to the cylinder hole that it goes back in forth in , now if the alignment is off , you can loosen up the billet block and move it a little until the piston rods are lined up/centered with the cylinder holes, then tighten up the block turn the pistons by hand to make sure everything looks straight , then tighten the block back up

OK now a very VERY CRITICAL mod to do to the pistons , you want to make the front edge of the piston rods look like a round nosed flat point bullet ! here is the deal …..the front of the piston from what i have seen so far is cut flush squared on the end …..this part front of the piston goes in and out of the 1st oring , the second oring the piston shaft stays in it the whole time it runs , so if you have a tapered front piston shaped like a round nose bullet it will go in and out of the oring WAY SMOOTHER ! instead of having a sharp edged bashing it’s way in and out causing failure a lot sooner of the critical 1st oring ,

OK let’s mod the piston , i have come up with a very easy way to do this , before you take out the piston use a long caliper to measure how far it is sticking out of the billet block that it is mounted on { very important to measure this -before you remove them, so you can put them back in at the same length }

after you take them out , put the side that was mounted in the aluminum block in a hand held electric drill , now take a flat file, lay it flat on a bench , then take ,and spin the piston rod with the drill at a slight angel and start grinding shaping the end of the piston rod on the file to make the front of it look like a round nose with a small center flat point ,change the angle as you grind to make a nice rounded smooth bullet shape to it .
you can hold the piston with a rag on it while it is spinning to put pressure on it against the file while shaping it.

once you have a decent rounded shape using the file , then use some 400-500 grit sand on that area you just shaped by spinning the rod in the paper in your hand to smooth it out , then switch over to 1000-1500 grit paper now spin the piston rod again this time not only smooth the bullet shaped end out but also smooth the whole piston rod out by spinning the piston and moving the ultra fine sand paper back , and forth polishing the piston rod up real good , this ultra smooth finish with tapered bullet shaped end , with correct piston rod alignment, will make the o’rings last way WAY LONGER ! ! 😉 😆

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You guys are running a desk fan on the shoebox right? I think that helps to keep the shoebox and the air cooler which should create less moisture.
I am not in the same climate so I cannot say.

quote powderburner:

RC add a water trap before your Desiccant Dryer.setup,

also if you still have allot of air born water after 20′ of hose you may need to build yourself a drier by putting the 20′ of hose or running part of the hose from the compressor into a bucket or ice chest with ice in it or running the line thru a small refrigerator. this will cool the air from the heated air the compressor makes to condense the water from the air, then put a nice water trap, then your Desiccant filters .

After the shoe box is the question???? , you could build a cooled high pressure line system with a high pressure trap there too , before the tank fill also.

Some ideas to play with. 🙂

ya my set up has 20ft of hose then a double water trap then 20 more ft of hose then 2 desiccant filters , with all of that sometimes i still get some moisture , hard to get it all up here in the NW area ,

LOL , beat ya to it Pab’s ,

I like the clear traps so as to keep track of what is going on , with the drain. like this.or similar.
http://compare.ebay.com/like/190529917877?ltyp=AllFixedPriceItemTypes&var=sbar

Also i saw where some one built a trap with like 3″ pvc , with bronze wool filling it. make the air inlet at the bottom , with a drain , and have the air outlet at the top. the bronze wool is to help condense suspended water and have it something to cling to and collect ,

you could have this water trap cooled also , allot of ways of doing this on the low pressure air side out of the pancake compressor, but on the high pressure side ????

quote powderburner:

RC add a water trap before your Desiccant Dryer.setup,

also if you still have allot of air born water after 20′ of hose you may need to build yourself a drier by putting the 20′ of hose or running part of the hose from the compressor into a bucket or ice chest with ice in it or running the line thru a small refrigerator. this will cool the air from the heated air the compressor makes to condense the water form the air, then put a nice water trap, then your Desiccant filters .

After the shoe box is the question???? , you could build a cooled high pressure line system with a high pressure trap there too , before the tank fill also.

Some ideas to play with. 🙂

Lol, was just coming up with the same! 😆 Gotta cool the air so the dryer will work more efficiently, its all about the dew point 😉 20 odd ft of hose in a bucket of ice, followed by a water trap then then filters.

RC add a water trap before your Desiccant Dryer.setup,

also if you still have allot of air born water after 20′ of hose you may need to build yourself a drier by putting the 20′ of hose or running part of the hose from the compressor into a bucket or ice chest with ice in it or running the line thru a small refrigerator. this will cool the air from the heated air the compressor makes to condense the water from the air, then put a nice water trap, then your Desiccant filters .

After the shoe box is the question???? , you could build a cooled high pressure line system with a high pressure trap there too , before the tank fill also.

Some ideas to play with. 🙂

Roach, can you post a pic of your current fill set up. I play around with compressors, water traps, filters that kind of thing for work. Fresh pair of eyes may see a better solution. 🙂

You crack me up sometimes RC.
Fall off thier bike and drownd.
Does anyone know what type of filters the scuba shops use?
I will check when I go to the shop next time.
My scuba shop guy is very talkative and I will find out.
Sounds like you make have to go with the high pressure in line filter.$$$

quote roachcreek:

My Shoebox water fountain.

I live in western Oregon, people fall off their bikes and drown here, humidity on the average is in the high 80’s when it is not raining.

I topped off three 44 cft tanks yesterday, between a lower cylinder rebuild, I shaved the inner oring when I assembled it a couple weeks ago, I could feel it when it happened, part of getting to know your equipment..

But that is not the issue here. When I bleed with the bleed valve at the tank shutoff, I get the water spitting out sound.

I have not one, but two Harbor Freight inline moisture dessitant traps piggybacked at the end of the 20’coiled hose, my HF pancake is 2 feet lower than the Shoebox to resist water climbing up the hose.

I bought 8 of the filters when they were on sale, and change when they get pink, which is about 7 to 10 days. I disassemble the filters and dry them in the oven at 170 degrees until they are blue again and recycle them. I also drain the tank, last night there was maybe a half cup of water in it.

It appears I will need to do the following:

Tear down my rifles and dry the tanks.

Set my scba tanks upside down for a day and then vent them upside down to try and blow the water out.

Get a inlet filter for the intake port on the Pancake.

Somewhere along the line, I am going to degrade the air pressure in the shop/pancake compressor with all the traps it is filtered thru.

Any suggestions? Do I need to change the filters daily?

Regards,

Roachcreek.

I get the same problem here with the moisture , looks like you are doing the right thing, i run a 20 ft hose off the pancake compressor to a double water trap then another 20 ft hose with the 2 desiccant filters with those beads like you are running , i would like to get a large filter with those beads in it i bought a large bag of the desiccant beads to replace the ones in the small filter but a lot of the beads are kinda big to fit in them , if i can just get a large enough canister ,or make one out of pvc , like 2 inches around -8inches long – inline , i think that would take care of the water really good .

Move to Pheonix AZ.

My Shoebox water fountain.

I live in western Oregon, people fall off their bikes and drown here, humidity on the average is in the high 80’s when it is not raining.

I topped off three 44 cft tanks yesterday, between a lower cylinder rebuild, I shaved the inner oring when I assembled it a couple weeks ago, I could feel it when it happened, part of getting to know your equipment..

But that is not the issue here. When I bleed with the bleed valve at the tank shutoff, I get the water spitting out sound.

I have not one, but two Harbor Freight inline moisture dessitant traps piggybacked at the end of the 20’coiled hose, my HF pancake is 2 feet lower than the Shoebox to resist water climbing up the hose.

I bought 8 of the filters when they were on sale, and change when they get pink, which is about 7 to 10 days. I disassemble the filters and dry them in the oven at 170 degrees until they are blue again and recycle them. I also drain the tank, last night there was maybe a half cup of water in it.

It appears I will need to do the following:

Tear down my rifles and dry the tanks.

Set my scba tanks upside down for a day and then vent them upside down to try and blow the water out.

Get a inlet filter for the intake port on the Pancake.

Somewhere along the line, I am going to degrade the air pressure in the shop/pancake compressor with all the traps it is filtered thru.

Any suggestions? Do I need to change the filters daily?

Regards,

Roachcreek.

If I ever get a PCP, I most definately will have to get this compressor too.

Thanks for the answer on my o-ring question TK… just sort of thinking out load you might say, and I have not seen one of these units in person.

I find it amazing that this little machine can do what it does.

Revwarnut

Makes me feel a little better about moving up to the next step, The Ranger. I would not shoot it near as much as you guys have. lol
I have to drive 45 minutes each way to a range. I would probably take a few shots here and there at the farm. Rc seems to have the room to roam you too dan. I am jealous living in NJ they are not to big on fire arms of any kind here. I need to move! 😆

quote slayer5:

So for us .25 guys (which means minimum air compared to the big bores)
What is the life expectency of the o rings? I have filled my 4500 psi piggy from zeero once and from 3200 once. I have filled two large scuba tanks from 2500 psi to 3100 psi. (not in a row and not more than an hour and a half or so straight. Is it the heat that gets them? I run a fan all the time on the shoebox. I grease every hour without fail. total time on mine maybe 7 hours in 2 months.

When mine was new , i put 70 hours straight on it before i rebuilt the cylinders , they were leaking a bit but still charging during this run , i was testing with soap mixed with water using a small brish , the machine was still charging to 4500 psi and i ran it around the clock lubing it every 2 hours , i had a lot of cylinders to fill 😆 😆 😆 make no mistake this compressor can do long run times, with and air fan cooling it , i have proven that, .

The mods i have done to my piston’s in my opinion are better than what i have been running before, from when the machine was new or the piston i just received a few weeks ago that was to squared off i felt , after talking to Tom K about it .

The bullet shaped design i just put on my pistons -as far as how smooth the piston enters the oring just by hand testing is better compared to
my original piston rod, and the new one that was not prepared quite as good as the original ,

when i did this i set out to make it as smooth as a transition as possible in a short distance on the end of the piston as possible , so it would still charge very close to the same speed as before , and after 24 hours of run time it has done just that, this time doing the soapy water test on the cylinders i have no leaks , so far , on the pistons where they enter the cylinders ,which is very good from what I have tested with my machine before running it for this long .

I am not stating that the pistons have been polished wrong or anything in the past , per design they are done right , i just am trying to get a bit more life out of the o’rings, and now have some test time in on what i have done , so do not take me wrong , i should have probably stated the obvious before i guess , so people would not take this the wrong way , i was just exited to share what i had figured out and did to my machine to maybe help others out with the their shoebox compressor.

i just put the info on my own mod-ed piston’s up here ,for the guys that were interested in what i have figured out so far , for the guys that are trying to use this machine to run their big bore airgun program, running it for long periods of time , like i am doing . I like to tinker with things , and make them better if i can .

Tom built one heck of a machine , i have 240 hours on mine now , for the money you got to love this little compressor , Tom’s service is the best i have ever seen with customers for a product like this ,

he really backs his machine up with great service , my hat is off to him , for making our sport way WAY ! better ! my whole big bore airgun shooting program is based on the fact i have this shoebox compressor for air to make it happen , or i might not have done it . 😆 😆

changing the sport as we know it the Tom K shoebox compressor ! 😆 😆

I kind of figured that after I got the compressor (and before I guess) this is not a $5000 compressor. If I had a large tank to fill from empty I would go to a scuba shop or fill a little at a time.
The guys shooting big bore are using it like a commercial compressor. This it was not built to be (or priced to be either)
Top off my Guppy tank when I want ,perfect! fill 3 or 4 large high pressure scuba tanks regularly I think you are asking a little too much. RC if you get dialed in and hunt and want to recharge the guppy bottle it will be awesome. Range testing big bores you guys use more air in a day then most of us use in a year. lol
I think it is a great product when used for it’s intended purpose. I think if I get the Ranger I will get a couple large scuba tanks I can get filled elsewhere. I would rather pay $10 than burn out my shoebox. I guess everyone circumstances are different but it is a 10 minute ride to the scuba shop for me. 😉 Not looking to offend anyone

It is no trouble for me to change out those Orings, I have done it many times.

This morning the lower cylinder was leaking air, it took me maybe 15 minutes to change it out. I had scraped the inner one when I put it together last time, and I suspected so when I put it together at the time.

You just get proficient at doing it after a while.

Regarrds,

Roachcreek

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