Talon P lured me back to THE DARKSIDE!!!
I haven’t frequented this forum for years, and sold almost all of my Airguns four years back (including my beloved .22 Condor). The Marauder .25 dragged me back in, and along with it I picked up fetish for Hammerli Pneumas as well.
Along comes the Talon P, and it tickled both of my funny bones for Airguns and a past love for PB pistols (TC contenders). That being said, I drove across town to see Shane and Kip at AOA today and left with one of these buggers outfitted with a Hawke red dot, a pressure-switched 160 lumen tactical light, the AF buttstock, a load of .25 Kodiaks and a pretty substantial Airgun boner :-).
I will post some pics and thoughts about it, but the whole house finally went to bed and they’re are several pesky nocturnal mammals on our acre if Sonoran Desert that are “dying” for the chance to meet my new toy.
Too bad I have to in the office tomorrow at 7:00 am 😉
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Yes indeed, it is madness but I wouldn’t have it any other way. I’ll be posting a full workup of my TalonP-16 pretty soon. It’s all done except for some work my gunsmith will be doing on the barrel next month. I hope I’ll have some 50 yard groups to post too but that depends on the weather and access to a place to setup my targets. I’m anxious to see what those 6-rings will do at 50+ yards. However I will be happy to get any good groups since I haven’t shot at anything over 25′ in a very long time. At 25′ in my indoor range everything goes in one hole shooting from the bipod and using the open sights.
I understand. Now I see there is a method to your madness 😎 Yes, I agree it is all about having fun. Looking forward to seeing your progress.
Hi 80 Grit
I’ll try to clear up something about my choice of a TalonP as the start of a project. I never believed the hype that the TalonP is a pistol. It’s a very small carbine and I happen to like carbines. I wanted to build a M16 look-a-like carbine just for the fun of it and I thought the TalonP would be a great starting place. The TalonP has a very powerful valve, perhaps more powerful than a Condor high flow valve, and the valve is threaded to fit a standard paintball tank. The TalonP comes with a 13ci paintball tank that works great with many paintball accessories such as an adjustable M16 style buttstock. I knew I’d need to swap out the 12″ barrel for an 18″ barrel but I was able to sell my 12″ barrel to cover much of the cost. As a bonus I found out that the TalonP Direct-Flow valve seems to love the 18″ barrel and gave me one hell of an increase in power.
The truth is it would have cost me more to start with a Talon. And the Talon has nowhere near the power of the TalonP. A Condor would not have worked for my project because the frame is too long. So I paid my $399 and bought my TalonP to start my project, just for the fun of it. That is after all why I mess with these crazy air rifles in the first place, to have fun.
We’re talking about the TalonP pistol which comes with a 12″ barrel. I swapped out my 12″ barrel for an 18″ barrel which is better suited for the mods I’m making. I was amazed at the increase in power shooting 43 grain EunJins and even more amazed at the results I got using Jerry’s 6-ring slugs. I had considered cutting off the choke of the 18″ barrel so the 6-rings would perform even better but I am so happy with the performance with the choke I’ll keep it. That way I can still get good results with my EunJins and JSBs.
Somewhere here on the TAG I read a post by Jerry stating that they used the ring design so the slugs could be used with a choke since they believed most shooters would not be willing to cut off the choke just for their slugs. Solid slugs, bullets actually, do not like chokes. That’s why few, if any, firearms have choked barrels. As I found out, Jerry’s slugs do work very well with the choke although they may work even better without the choke.
I bought those 6-rings from Tony, he calls them Black Mambas, and they are a thing of beauty. I’ll do a full test including some 50 yard groups when I get my E-TaCp back from Jim. Right now he’s having fun playing with my Direct-Flow valve and 13ci tank. Kids with new toys 🙂
Are we still talking about the Prod? Which is standard with a 12″ barrel?
Hoot, this, in essence, is the insanity of our “black rifle” mania! We start out with Talon P (you said Prod by mistake) a so called pistol hence the “P” in “talon P” then we set out to eliminate it’s very title by putting an 18″ barrel in it. So the once misleading title of “pistol” now becomes an obvious “carbine” but it is a carbine with a bottle that many would consider anemic. So at the end of the day I ask……….WHY???? If you want a talon P then by all means have a talon P. If you want a carbine with an 18″ barrel that shoots heavy slugs then by all means build a carbine that shoots heavy slugs properly! Why not just buy a frame from AF or buy one used (if you can) and get a custom valve and or tank, hammer, etc???
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not knocking you and your talon P. I’m just speaking from lucid retrospect of my own experience/insanity with these “lego rifles”.
Are we still talking about the Prod? Which is standard with a 12″ barrel?
They are tight so choke should be a hinderance, rather then a benefit, I did have some 6 rings that were fitting just perfectly, I have to run a check soon on some 7 rings, I will be posting under Condor.
I don’t think the rings are Choked barrel dependent. They serve as a gas check and since the fit the leade in so very tightly I am confident they engage the rifling just fine. So confident in fact I’m about to chop off the choke on my 24″ barrel. I am hoping that it will help them move a bit faster. One reservation I have is despite the “violent squeezing” of the choke…surefires never seemed to be hindered by it in the BC department. Those things punch a perfect hole in paper just like a wad cutter. Charlie told me that he saw a vast improvement with cast bullets after chopping off the choke so you will have two options even if you can never shoot a pellet through the barrel again.
I sold off my airguns a while ago after moving to a place where I couldn’t really use them… the TalonP looks somewhat interesting; It might be between the P or getting a silencer for my ruger mark II.
I will be shooting the 6 rings with the stock 18″ barrel first. I want to know how they do with the choke too. After all Jerry put those rings on there so they could be used on a choked barrel.
if i were you id shoot with the choke first, and see how she does.
lopping the choke sometimes helps, but not as a rule.
the bunny ranch?
You guys are right, I didn’t mean to imply the entire TAG was anti-TalonP. There are plenty of fans here too. I just got my new camera so I’ll be posting some pics soon. I still have some work to do on my TalonP and I’m waiting on a 17ci tank I ordered.
I’m going to run a series of chrony tests with the 12″ barrel and R&L Shorty Shroud then I’ll replace the 12″ barrel with an 18″ barrel I bought and re-run those chrony tests. My neighbors are going to love that!
I ordered some 6 ring surefire slugs from Tony and I’ll see how they do with a stock TalonP valve and 18″ barrel. Then my gunsmith is going to cut 1-1/2″ off the barrel and re-crown to eliminate the choke. He’ll also open up the breech a little to make it easier to load the 6 ring slugs. And for a final touch he’ll thread the barrel with 1/2″ – 20UNF threads for the very nice Muzzle Mack spiral 40 port muzzle brake I bought.
Where else can you have this much fun?
I think the TalonP looks like fun.
What a lot of guys forget about is simple fun.
Having a hand cannon like the TalonP would a blast.
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I’ll tell you what my six rings did at 40 yards on a coon with my former Talon SS with a 15″ barrel and an R&L “Extreme” valve in..25 caliber…it blew through his head and ricocheted off a hardwood tree for a fair distance.
It is a dead accurate killing machine in the right hands. At 100 meters, the limiting factor is you, not the setup!
If your scope is good, your hold is securely rested, and you have decent shooting skills, nothing is safe out to 100 yards. It’s like those six rings are wire guided! Of course wind and light factor in, but the potential is there.
Put a good moderator on the barrel, otherwise it’s damn loud, and that’s a fact.
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