Tragic airgun death
Found this in a North Jersey newspaper:
http://www.dailyrecord.com/article/20090103/UPDATES01/90103008
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So when was it O.K. for some law making butt wipe tell me what to do???
The people need to unite and stand together about our rights.
You really can not bitch about shit until do something.
So america, stand up, be heard!!!!!!!!
Quit complaining, be vocal!!!!!!
The squeaky wheel gets the oil !!!!!
And you use a faulty logic safety feature as an example?
I know of a dozen local deaths that would have survived with seatbelts in teh rollover accidents. Seatbelts save lives why confuse that with 2nd amendment justification?
But all that still stand up for the right I mean what is right!
Walter…
just like I have to wear my seatbelt!!!!!!!!
So when was it O.K. for some law making butt wipe tell me what to do???
The people need to unite and stand together about our rights.
You really can not bitch about shit until do something.
So america, stand up, be heard!!!!!!!!
Quit complaining, be vocal!!!!!!
The squeaky wheel gets the oil !!!!!
Right on Walter/Doug!!
It will start as a little pinhole in the dam but once they get more water running thru it will be hard to stop.
I see Airgun restrictions becoming a reality followed not by gun control but limiting powderburner ammunition access. They know they cannot get the guns but they sure can restrict access to buying ammo to only those with a vaild FFL (bar codes make tracking ammo hoarding easy) and also jacking up ammo costs with taxes.
This is where the under the radar control/attack will start. 😯
Randy
Sadly (some might say tragically) ‘dancing in the blood’ is a proven route to getting such laws passed.
Opportunistic for sure, but there are no doubt folks waiting with baited breath for their opportunity.
To ignore the lessons of history is not a smart move, IMO.
Doug Owen
Doug, you are exactly right!
up here the Montreal PolyTechnique University shootings gave the antis and wormhearted poleticians exactly the emotionally charged impetus to enact the Canadian Gun Registry and controls.
Be very watchful of those wishing for power and you have a few of them!!!
Walter…
Randy
That would be funny, I don’t have to have one to buy and own a firearm in California… 😉
I find no humor here, but plenty of cause for concern. There is no Second Ammendment protection for airgun ownership.
Let me ask you a couple of questions, can we legally own a blowgun here? They are clearly less dangerous than a number of the bigger airguns. Or all manner of knives? For those who don’t know, since most such laws have a racist start and in our state’s history folks feared Mexicans (who use kinves you know…..) we are stuck with very restrictive knife laws. This to makes no sense, but it is fact.
Or brass knuckles, slug shots, throwing stars, and all manner of stuff less lethal than some airguns? Those things are already prohibitied in California, adding some airguns to that list will be seen as common sense I fear.
Logic will have nothing to do with it. It will come on a wave of emotion. Some self serving champion of the people will make the ‘common sense’ route and “close the airgun loophole”. Folks like Diane Fienstein and Don Parata have built their political careers on just this sort of stuff, and look how far that’s taken them. They are seen as role models by many who long for that kind of power.
Doug Owen
Randy
That would be funny, I don’t have to have one to buy and own a firearm in California… 😉
I agree with this. That article is too ff’..’in sad. I handle a gun around my GF, friends and family all the time.. basic gun safety….taught to us since we were kids. “Always assume the gun is loaded” and “NEVER POINT IT AT ANYBODY”…let alone your wife!! The guy is either a complete idiot or he meant to cause injury or death to his wife which is entirely possible. Only GOD knows.
But this is another incident which is bad for our sport/hobby. They will chip away at our rights village by village: county by county: state by state…
Randyhub quote: “Well now that we can buy/build airguns with the same or more power of powderburners it is only a matter of time before polictians decide to pick up votes by publishing this so-called public threat and force registration like some States/Counties already do with the Anti Gunners.”
This is a good point and something I think about quite often. Actually I’m almost amazed that there are no restrictions on power/Cal of airguns we own, and seeing some guns here on the TAG or other places that are just as powerful or more powerful as some powder burners. There’s no boundries. But I have a strong feeling that this kind of freedom won’t last much longer, especially if such guns are used in crimes, much less accidents. Some politician is going to look at all this soon and say “WTF?… this is out of control” and put the screws to us, especially knowing most of the public will probably agree.
I agree, we shouldnt judge that guy whitout knowing EXACTLY what happened.
The article sais he shot her in the back, maybe the lady walked into his line of fire as he was pulling the triger and he dind see her coming because he was looking thur the scope at high zoom, maybe he DID do something very stupid like pulling the triger aiming at a random spot to “see if the gun is loaded” (i actually saw some asshole do that), all im saying is that there are a thoulsand ways that could have happened.
Granted, if he had followed all shooting rules exactly, it would have never happened, but cmon, i thing we have all broken one or more of those rules at least once.
In any case, it is a very tragic and sad event.
Well, while it is very tragic, i do feel for him and his child and the rest of both sides of their perspective families. Who knows what really happened since there were no witnesses.
But, while all of you judge him, look at what he SAID he was going to do with the airgun. Its the same thing most of you guys post videos of or post stories about…he was gonna launch a pellet in his back yard at a squirrel. So he probably had it out waiting for a squirrel. And then the ACCIDENT happened. Now, just goin on that statement alone….THIS IS THE REASON WHY IT IS ILLEGAL IN MOST STATES TO SHOOT AN AIRGUN IN THE BACKYARD. Because if he obeyed the law (if it applied in his state,city,country), the airgun never would have been pulled out of the closet. End of story. And of course most of you are gonna say, “I DON”T SHOOT IN MY BACKYARD”…….umhumm? I don’t either, i live in a townhome.
The point being this, while we all justify our own stupid choices and why we do them, we trully have no control of that pellet once it leaves the bore. So this could happen to any of us cause i KNOW all of us have pulled out our airguns around our kids, our parents, our friends, our neighbors and at any moment, we could have ACCIDENTALLY hit the trigger and sent that pellet ACCIDENTALLY flying off to GOD knows were.
So be careful when you start judging someone on the same very thing most of us do….pull out our airguns around people.
Well now that we can buy/build airguns with the same or more power of powderburners it is only a matter of time before polictians decide to pick up votes by publishing this so-called public threat and force registration like some States/Counties already do with the Anti Gunners.
Up here in Canada AG’s have been licenced for sometime now, and as I have both family and friends down in the States I am lucky to hear both sides.
I am just cringing at the thought of someone do something REALLY stupid with a shrouded PCP then SHIT IS GOING TO HIT THE FAN!!!
Mark my words, one shithead is going to screw it for all the responsible Airgunners just like everything.
Now I feel very sorry for this guy but I know I treat all my airguns with the same rules as my powderburners as life is VERY fragile and you always hear about people dying in freak accidents from choking on a chicken bone to just horsing around.
Randy
Did you ever have a traffic accident?
Did you ever bump into some one on a crowded sidewalk?
Did you ever stumble and fall?
These are all accidents.
Most are preventable.
Mark
or said another way
Did you ever drive the wrong way down an interstate and kill someone?
Did you ever bump into someone in the Subway pushing them into the path of an oncoming train?
Did you ever stumble while drunk, and push someone else over the banister of a high rise?
these are also all accidents, and caused SOMEONE ELSE to die.
therefore accident or not, the person should be brought up on manslaughter charges and sent to jail. no if’s no buts, no lawyers
I have no problem when some does something stupid and invokes the Darwin clause, it pisses me off big time when I have scrape someone else off the street into a body bag, cause somebody else “had an accident”
Well said Mark.
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Yup, and it seems reasonable to expect the bad idea to spread to other states as well.
As long as there’s personal profit or power at stake, the urge to do so will be irreistable.
Doug Owen