What do you think of an Edgun in cal .30?
Looking at Ted’s new video comparing 22 to 25, I can not help but be a prophet for today. I predict that 22 will be 22, but the cal 30 will be the new 25 someday soon and it will stay the way for a long long time.
What say you brothers and sisters in the beloved hobby?
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yep… it’s gettin just a wee bit scary in the pellet world!
a rabbi was shot the other day in Phenix with a pellet…. the rabbi quotes…“You can get killed with a bullet. You can get killed with a BB gun,”
here is just a quick article about it
http://www.azfamily.com/news/Phoenix-rabbi-on-the-mend-after-shot-with-pellet-gun-144328055.html
and a link to a vid
Ed doesn`t care for .25 could it be going larger and auto will hurt our
sport.Hoot is dead on and it won`t even take a criminal. a young kid
or an older stupid one,maybe some kid puts 10 quick pellets in his
little brother with that great Evanix Quest and its the beginning of the
end.Actually there was a shoot out in a Walmart parking lot in
Brockton,Mass yesterday and an airgun was found.I hope it doesn`t
happen but……. Don`t want to bring everybody down but there`s no
sense pretending its not going to be a problem.
What can we do? Posted here as I don`t think Steve`s sterile Yellow
could take it or would,he`s got the the fastest moderators on the
internet regards,mark
No incendiary, or at least tracer, rounds??? :whoop:
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.50 cal with tungsten tip, I say. 😈
It is the limited performance of a “pellet” gun that has rendered it safe from harm when it comes to enforcing firearms laws and regulations. Illinois is a good example of rampant regulations on pellet guns. Nothing faster than 700 fps, nothing bigger than .117 caliber, no internet sales allowed on guns exceeding these limitations.
So what happens when Evanix delivers a fully/semi-automatic .30 caliber pcp rifle capable of firing clip fed, boat-tail, poly-tipped jacketed slugs of 65 to 250 grains in weight, capable of a kill shot on 100 lb+ game, of up to 200 yards, utilizing air pressures of 4500 psi?
This rifle could be mass produced today, with current technology.
When our “hobby” became this advanced, we climbed in bed with the powder burners, and can match, or beat, their performance on the range. Perhaps never in fps or fpe, but that’s not important. What’s important is when the design and performance of an air rifle becomes sufficient to equal the [b]lethality[/b] of a powder burner/firearm.
Only price, limited quantity, and lack of adverse publicity, remain the barriers between us and Federal extension of “firearm laws” to the air gun community.
We call them “air guns”, but it makes no legal difference what specific gas propelled a bullet, or how that gas was produced, when the weapon is capable of killing humans at long distance. Be it accident, or on purpose, we all know it’s a matter of time before one criminal discovers that potential, and the Liberal media will begin an outcry for an “investigation” to determine why “air guns” are exempt from gun laws when they are equally as deadly, and silent to boot.
“Firearm” is just a word. It can easily be replaced by the term “weapon” in all existing legislation. When lethality becomes identical, combined with illegal actions, common sense will mandate that simple word change, and air guns will be fully regulated.
Just my thoughts, but my logic is sound.
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I may not have said it as eliquint as Hoot did but….I do agree with himhttp://talonairgun.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=22679&highlight=.
Today, our hobby has achieved equivalent firearm/powder-burner lethality within a given range, and that range is being extended with the advent of large bore air guns.
It is the limited performance of a “pellet” gun that has rendered it safe from harm when it comes to enforcing firearms laws and regulations. Illinois is a good example of rampant regulations on pellet guns. Nothing faster than 700 fps, nothing bigger than .117 caliber, no internet sales allowed on guns exceeding these limitations.
So what happens when Evanix delivers a fully/semi-automatic .30 caliber pcp rifle capable of firing clip fed, boat-tail, poly-tipped jacketed slugs of 65 to 250 grains in weight, capable of a kill shot on 100 lb+ game, of up to 200 yards, utilizing air pressures of 4500 psi?
This rifle could be mass produced today, with current technology.
When our “hobby” became this advanced, we climbed in bed with the powder burners, and can match, or beat, their performance on the range. Perhaps never in fps or fpe, but that’s not important. What’s important is when the design and performance of an air rifle becomes sufficient to equal the [b]lethality[/b] of a powder burner/firearm.
Only price, limited quantity, and lack of adverse publicity, remain the barriers between us and Federal extension of “firearm laws” to the air gun community.
We call them “air guns”, but it makes no legal difference what specific gas propelled a bullet, or how that gas was produced, when the weapon is capable of killing humans at long distance. Be it accident, or on purpose, we all know it’s a matter of time before one criminal discovers that potential, and the Liberal media will begin an outcry for an “investigation” to determine why “air guns” are exempt from gun laws when they are equally as deadly, and silent to boot.
“Firearm” is just a word. It can easily be replaced by the term “weapon” in all existing legislation. When lethality becomes identical, combined with illegal actions, common sense will mandate that simple word change, and air guns will be fully regulated.
Just my thoughts, but my logic is sound.
Kindly ‘Ol Uncle H 😯 😯 T
You could be right…
But why stop at 30cal when there is a 12 gauge “pellet” available? 😆
500+ grains baby!!!
http://www.natchezss.com/product.cfm?contentID=productDetail&prodID=LY2654112
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Scott (GTBJ) makes one of the quietest moderators I have ever purchased. There are several excellent moderator makers on this forum, and Scott is among the best. I’ve had two of his products, and they were simple, sturdy, and effective.
Eduard knows air guns better than anyone I know, or know of. His designs perfectly fit the three point mindset, the product must be simple, sturdy, and effective.
His move to .25 caliber was solely due to Old Goat asking for a “one off” special order Long Matador in .25 caliber. He provided this rifle, and observed Old Goat’s performance and results. Seeing a practical use for this caliber, He then improved upon his design with a more sturdy valve, making it simple, sturdy, and effective.
I believe he still favors the .117 and .22 calibers because their performance is outstanding for 99% of multi-purpose air gun use.
If you need firearm performance, go to a firearm forum, and invest your time and money in gear that is not being stretched to the absolute limit of it’s ability. You will be happier with the outcome, it’s cheaper, and cost effective.
You can learn a lot by watching and listening to people who understand the value of keeping their products simple, sturdy, and effective.
Just my simple-minded observations.
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