Which scope should I buy between these two choices…
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Pul, the 16 weaver is a fairly good scope. With fairly good color rendition.
However if you are having problems with the picture as you describe, that isn’t the brightness. A sun won’t change brightness one way or the other. What you are seeing is called flair. It typical in many scopes. Some worse than others. In really to end scopes this is handled with the superior coatings. Something just not available at the price point of a Weaver. But I do like them. Good Scopes.
To check for brightness you do in next to non existent light. Like after sundown and looking into the trees. Night is ever better. Starlight is perfect. What can you see. I saw it posted in one of the threads that scoped don’t gather light. Yes and no. They loose a percent of light at each lens surface. Many scopes loose a lot. This is where the better optical glass and top grade coatings come in. With very good coatings, and at low mag. you do get a magnification of available light. In other words, the pic through a quality scope will be brighter than what you are seeing with the naked eye. In very high end scopes, it will be a LOT brighter. To the point that you can see in almost total darkness through the scope when you can barley make out your hand in front of your face.
To compare brightness, do it at night!
Mike
Good point Mike!
Done deal, I ordered the Millet 4×16. Thanks for all the input!
Thanks for the answers Guy’s.
Pul, the 16 weaver is a fairly good scope. With fairly good color rendition.
However if you are having problems with the picture as you describe, that isn’t the brightness. A sun shade won’t change brightness one way or the other. What you are seeing is called flair. It typical in many scopes. Some worse than others. In really to end scopes this is handled with the superior coatings. Something just not available at the price point of a Weaver. But I do like them. Good Scopes.
To check for brightness you do in next to non existent light. Like after sundown and looking into the trees. Night is ever better. Starlight is perfect. What can you see. I saw it posted in one of the threads that scoped don’t gather light. Yes and no. They loose a percent of light at each lens surface. Many scopes loose a lot. This is where the better optical glass and top grade coatings come in. With very good coatings, and at low mag. you do get a magnification of available light. In other words, the pic through a quality scope will be brighter than what you are seeing with the naked eye. In very high end scopes, it will be a LOT brighter. To the point that you can see in almost total darkness through the scope when you can barley make out your hand in front of your face.
To compare brightness, do it at night!
Mike
Thanks!
Hey 80grit, check this place out too: http://www.bigrivertactical.com/catalog/item/4193480/4081421.htm
This is where I bought mine and they were quick about getting it shipped out. The only complaints I have about the TRS-1 is it’s fairly hefty & the yardage markings on the sidewheel seem to indicate slightly farther than actual. I haven’t had any problems with over-stiff adjustments and it seems to hold it’s zero well. Eye relief gets pretty tight up around 14-16x but it’s still manageable for target shooting; hunting you’d want to turn it down anyway and then the eye relief isn’t so bad.
Regards,
I have never once seen one of them that would shoot the box. Or have any resolution at and distance at decent magnification.
Have they changed?
I’d have to answer yes, at least with my model. Perhaps mamcrackin can verify. I took them out again today and compared them side by side at a distance of 110 yards and on 10 times mag they were equal in clarity and light. Now when I cranked up the BSA to 16 x, it surely got a little hazy. My leupold is the pre-runner to the M4. It is a vari X III 3.5 x 10 x 40mm Long range tactical. For all intents and purposes it is identical to the M4. I think they just changed the name.
Sorry knife, completely missed your post. 😳
Here’s the email I got back from the lady at leupold a while back. May have changed a bit, but can’t imagine it being far off.
installed. We have to take out the existing adjustments.
If you just want one adjustment on the elevation the charge is $79.99.
Or it’s $119.99 for the pair.
It takes about 2 weeks to do the work.
Mike
90 to 100 bucks including shipping.
I have a great scope that I think gets over looked a lot. Every time I see someone asking for a recommendation on a scope either price, need for electronic cross hairs, Mildots, or something knocks out my scope .. it’s not for sale.
The Weaver V-16 has bright optics, PA, repeatable click adjustments, a fine (FD) or thin duplex reticle great for target work and hunting, and is available with a matte finish.
The optics are bright enough that when shooting up into the trees with the sun just off to the side it really needs a sunshade on it. I keep meaning to order one for mine.
I am saving my pennies for something with at least 20x or higher and side focus to put on my main squirrel rifle … but the V-16 stays with me I like it that much.
looks nice, cheaper than the hawke as well… hmmm.
Just measured it, 15″ long minus sunshade, 18 1/2″ with Sunshade
EDIT: Another change on the newer model, it’s now 1/4″ MOA clicks. Mine is 1/8th MOA, but I don’t mind. To many people were complaining about 1/8th clicks, so they changed it.
Thanks, does it normally come with with the sunshade or do you have to purchase it seperate?
Might get one of these instead of the hawke sidewinder save some moola.
Comes with sunshade
Lama, those old style friction turrets love to shift on hard kicking rifles. Hard to believe that Lupies got such a great rep. while using them. What do they get for installing the target turrets?
Mike
looks nice, cheaper than the hawke as well… hmmm.
Just measured it, 15″ long minus sunshade, 18 1/2″ with Sunshade
EDIT: Another change on the newer model, it’s now 1/4″ MOA clicks. Mine is 1/8th MOA, but I don’t mind. To many people were complaining about 1/8th clicks, so they changed it.
Thanks, does it normally come with with the sunshade or do you have to purchase it seperate?
Might get one of these instead of the hawke sidewinder save some moola.
Knife, the TRS-1 focuses down to 10 yrds. Here’s another short review. The TRS-1 is in the “Buck Gold” series they make.
http://www.chuckhawks.com/millett_buck_gold_scope.htm
That’s exactly what I was about to say about the leuopolds being compared to BSA. Exactly what Leupold was it?
Knife, I have a varix3 leupold with target turrets on it. I think they are great. I also have another varix3 with the standard hunting style (gotta do it with a coin) turrets. I hate those things. I’ll be sending it off to leupold to put target turrets on it as soon as I can scrape up the cash.
The Millets are getting better and better. I would like to have the 1/8 clicks though.
What does it focus down to?
I do wish they would be a bit more honest in their advertising though. They really put down Chinese made scopes. Some how they leave out they have theirs made in China too. Odd! But they are very well made to their spec’s.
BSA as good as a Leupold? Now that is SHOCKING!!! But then again, LP does make some low end scopes like the ones sold at WalMart. I have never seen a BSA that didn’t look like the lens were ground out of coke bottles. May be they have improved as well. I always figured the BSA Scopes were a rip off of the fine old British firm BSA Firearms. I was really surprised to learn that they in fact were marketing these very low quality, but good looking exterior Chinese Scopes. I’ve had several and threw every one of them in the trash.
I have never once seen one of them that would shoot the box. Or have any resolution at and distance at decent magnification.
Have they changed?
I will have to say that Leupold up until recently had some of the worst turret adjustments in the insustry. No excuse for it at any price. Much less on a higher end scope.
Mike
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This is where I bought mine and they were quick about getting it shipped out. The only complaints I have about the TRS-1 is it’s fairly hefty & the yardage markings on the sidewheel seem to indicate slightly farther than actual. I haven’t had any problems with over-stiff adjustments and it seems to hold it’s zero well. Eye relief gets pretty tight up around 14-16x but it’s still manageable for target shooting; hunting you’d want to turn it down anyway and then the eye relief isn’t so bad.
Regards,
Yep that’s where I got mine. Donny was a great guy to deal with.