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🙄 New guy with lot’s of questions. Back ground been a power burner for years but new to PCP. In line to have Tony build me a full house 25 Condor and next a 22 Condor/Talon.
Wants/questions: 1. NO noise but may have that covered with my order 2. Accuracy of coarse but is a 100 yard sparrow killer asking too much? 3. Barrel length 24″s with a shroud is really too long for me, Tony’s 21″ is better butttt 21-18″ looks better to me. Will I lose out much going to the 18″ish barrel considering my 100 yard desires? 4. FX ST barrel really sounds like it may be a good option to play with, “shoots very very good” what does that really mean, 1/2″, 1/8″ 1/16″ at 50 yards?
Enough for my first post here. Lot’s of good information here. Good to be onboard but my wife thinks it’s just another place to take me away from my “honey does”…. Too many hobbies and not enough time..glad I’m retired… 😀
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Roachcreek
Lots of duplex shooting 😎 That’s what my 3031 comment was about. A few grains of 3031 under the black powder and you can shoot 5 to 7 rounds with out running a patch down the barrel. Against the rules in BPC matches but really helped on the silhouette range. Rams were no problem but those damn chickens took some work. Been out of the sport for about five years but sure miss it 🙁 Keep telling myself it’s time to start back but now that I’m retired I have no free time. Don’t know how I ever had time to work for a living. Now with this PCP thing going sure not much time to cast bullets…. 😕
Oldguy,
I did the 1000 yard buffalo shooting and the long range at Sass matches here in Oregon, I left the steel rams to the good shots like you. That and I competed in the Sass black powder catagory.
Yeah I checked with AOA about the Roayle 200 in December, they were not in then, so I went on the Royale buying spree.
Ever do the duplex loads, some said they were dangerous but they were great for elk hunting, made chambering a 2nd rond a lot easier.
Regards,
Roachcreek
Roachcreek I told you we were seperated at birth 😕 If you’ve done much BPC silhouette shooting over the last 20 years our paths must of crossed. Like to have a dollar for every pound of black powder and lead I’ve used up over the years. There was a little 3031 mixed in there at times. Damn near been at this shooting game for 60 years now…where did it go ❓
A little off subject here but good to make your acquqintance. Did talk to AOA and no Royale 200 in stock 🙁 waiting on a shippment 😀 . Now if Tony would only come through. Been shooting my box stock TalonSS but it and my eyes need work 🙄 Lot’s of good information on this sight but will take forever to read all of it.
Old guy,
I bought a Sharps Borschardt military and had the reciever rescultured to sporting rifle specs, a 30 inch heavy Kreiger barrel put on, a master engraver, George Wilson engrave the reciever, a very well known stockmaker, Phil and Marlyn Fischer make a stock and checker it and then I had Doug Turnbull case color and blue it. On top of it I put a Montana Vintage Arms 7/8ths 23 inch scope in recoiling mounts.
It was chambered in 45/100 like my Shilo #1 sporting rifle was and the two were my 1000 yard match guns and elk rifles for a lot of years.
With 83 grains of Swiss #2 a paper primer wad and compressed with a cardboard wad pushing a Hocke tapered 550 grain slug of 20-1 and lubed with SPG, the Borshardt would clover leaf the first 3 of a ten shot group at 200 yards from standing supported with sticks.
I gave both rilfes to my two oldest sons a few years back.
Smokeless powder is just a passing fancy.
Regards,
Roachcreek
So what, the aluminum heats up, distorts and changes the point of impact?
I still enjoy my .22 TSS with very few mods. It’s a mission specific gun. It’s role for me is to eliminate rats and ground squirrels and to plink soda cans. It consistently gives me 750-800fps depending on tank pressure and pellet weight. It has however allowed several critters to escape into my neighbor’s backyard to die on, or next to her walkway. THat’s why I now prefer the .25 that leaves them DOA. I never ask it to perform beyond 25 yards; more like 17-20 yards. Within that range, it’s a great singleshot PCP gun.
The big question is what are you going to do with the gun and how much tinkering do you want to do? That Royale 200 looks like a winner. Let us know how it fits you.
PB,
Used my Condor from 22 shooting CP’s to JSB’s to Predators to Kodiaks to Eun Jins then made the bottle/barrel swap to 25 and started with Kodiaks then the Eun Jins then Jerry’s stuff.
All performed well at times then at others, it was SIGHT IN…..HUNT…..RESIGHT to continue hunting. The l
Wow this has been fun guys. Enjoyed the tit for tat and have learned a ton. Thanks 😀 To be honest I have be looking at an FX Royale 200 syntetic…for got to mention I’m left handed to a fault. Roachcreek I even built myself a left handed Hepburn but I love my Ballards 😉 . These PCP will let me shoot in my backyard now that I’m in town. I can get 50 yards inside my back yard so lots of development and practice right out the back door. Thanks again for all the shared knowledge…I’m a slow learner so will be back for more. :4:
Jerry,
25 acP a couple hundreds yards down range. Wkith the 24 inch barrel I got 32 acp GoldDot power at the muzzle.
RC
About what a .25 ACP has at the muzzle, right RC? 😆
Nice argument going on here, lots of true statements…
I certainly like the AF platform because guys who like big power are Timmy’s customers. Those guys know it will take a jump to bigger, harder to shroud calibers and/or bigger bucks to make the power they want. They put $900-$1200 bucks in their AF guns by the time they think they’re done and they have power that no european gun can match. OK, maybe a european gun can match the power but only after you mod the living shit out of a gun that satrted at the total cost of the Condor build.
Do those guys with the high power Condors get good accuracy? Well, some do! RC has one that appears to be doing OK. Tofazfou posted some nice results and others who do the work do well also. Yup, the guys with the high power guns getting good results are working at it. The guys with the european guns getting good accuracy just go and shoot.
Has anyone noticed that my two specific examples fall in both categories? Both are excellent shots with documented results and both have said the same thing. The AF platform can perform very well but it takes effort and the european guns are consistently accurate without all the fuss.
Roach and others for what it matters
At 260 yards with a 25, what kind of energy is delivered?
Just curious
SAW
Yep RC, 10% skill, 90% luck. Yes, I really like my .25 Marauder. 😀
Esolo,
I understand perfectly what you are saying and agree for some shooters it holds true.
I have no dispute over that.
However for me, having mastered the range estimation with a very good rangefinder, and living a life so that I could shoot every day if I wished on my own 1100 yard range for 13 years and competing for several years in long range BPCR shooting. And having shot just about every modern gun at that time from 300 winchesters , 340 wheatherby’s to SR 25 Stoner, to name just a few on that range. Combined with the fact at this point in life having access to Chairgun and the cheat sheets I make and hours upon hours of range work on target from 35 to 260 yards with air guns to confirm or debunk that data, and yes that is 260 yards with an Air gun, I find the AF platform, because of it’s inconsistancies, does not perform for me and my needs as well as a FX does.
What I am saying is that after a while an inconsistant rifle holds you back as much as a cheap scope does, in reaching your full potential.
Now both rifles have venues that they excell in, the AF rifle in 25 with the mold I designed and cast with, in the barrel I altered for accurate shooting does shoot better than any air rifle I have used and better than some BPCR’s I have used at that range with cast bullets, and I have fired a few hundred of those LBT bullets at that range in the last month so I do know what the AF platform is capable of.
And I find the Airforce platfrom simply does not translate to feathers floating in the air for me, and there is no amount of extra range work that will change issues like POI drift from retained PSI in my tank, or from frame flex or from hammer velocity changing my poi as the gun fouls, or the inconsistant frame/barrel mounting system.
So what I am saying is we are both right. But for me the range work is a given, meaning that I take that for granted, it is carved in stone, it is gravity at work, wind is however a preverse god that whips our bullet around and spoils our days 😆 , so at this point in life, all things considered equal, I have formed some prejudices concerning just how far inconsistant equipment will take you.
Now for 98% of the air gunners who own AF products this means squat, they shoot on weekends and in the morning before and after work sniping squirrels at the bird feeder at 15 yards, and the rifles work marvously for them.
And altho I have taken the platform further in some regards than anyone I know, I just don’t depend on them anymore for what I do.
And Esolo please do post more here.
Regards,
Roachcreek
Perhaps if I rephrase it, you might understand what I am trying to communicate.
Having a rifle capable of shooting tiny groups is less important than knowing where that shot grouping will land, if you are trying to hit a target with the first shot.
Elsolo,
As I thought a rowboat admiral.
Stick around perhaps you will learn something.
Regards,
Roachcreek
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BTW, we debate like this all the time, and at imes with a little more profanity.
RC
YEA!
did RC happen to mention that hes a dick wrangler?….. 😛