12" Talon SS baffles
I’ve gotten a couple of PM’s asking how to and does jaybirdo’s baffle scheme really work in the 12” SS.
First off, the baffles knock down the stock SS report to where you can hear tank ping if your PW is set around 4-5 or lower. Is this method as quite as the $120 solutions? Due to reduced expansion volumes, I think not. I would go the $120 solution, in a heart beat, for the 18 or 24” barrels for urban warfare or if quieter 12” needed.
For the 12” shrouded frame, jaybirdo’s $8 solution brings an evil grin on my face, it’s “almost” as quite as my spring FWB-124. My 124 does not have the report of a PPC, unless dieseling, more mechanical at different frequencies for a better term.
As to sequence, you would remove end cap. Insert o-ring-spacer o-ring – washer, this clears the barrel. Then o-ring, washer-o-ring-spacer for next “module”. I ended the front section with stacked washer and o-ring combos, some with 4 o-rings stacked to vary the chamber and add rubber “squish” to end cap and to keep things tight inside shroud. There is lots of room for tinkering with the volume sequences here so have fun.
I got the ¾” copper pipe unions, near 1” OD, 1” (-214) o-rings, and 1” OD with ¼” hole washers at my local Lowes. The copper unions can be cut length wise if a tight fit required, I used 1 wrap of electrical tape to avoid metal to metal and help center but probably not needed. Nice of AF to have shroud ID near 1”, no? 😛
After assembly I made sure no tube shadows or cocked baffles were detected by looking down the bore. No pellet clipping or change in POI, 20 yards, has occurred. If given the room I would have tested before and after at 40 yards to check POI.
Mike
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Again, big post count, yet misses “New here, and I don’t have a Talon SS yet” from my first posting.
Regardless, seems others have tried what I suggested (read: not mandated) and it has worked, if somewhat iffy. Guess if I buy a Talon (read: indicates I don’t own one) I would have to see if the pressure wave would cause issues as others have experienced.
You certainly don’t seem to play well with others; seems like you’re pretty edgy to let someone suggest that something you have laid down as fact is not 100% correct. Maybe you need to switch to:
Maybe that’d help your stomach problems too. 😉
na, no sugar for me, I’m sweet enough don’t ya know, I will take mine with a bit of half & half to buffer the stomach though 😆
what’s this? first there floaters now there sandwiched tight? ya, sure your going to fit in just fine….
your just like every other fool that has had their airforce for a week and think you know what’s up with it and there you are on your first post acting like some sort of expert and giving advice when you don’t know shit yet, perhaps you should do a bit of reading and learning first?
I tell you what… I dare you to do a little experiment with your “various other rifles” and your SS and let us know what the outcome is, are you man enough to do it?
here is what you do
step 1 – grab all your “various other rifles” and your SS and give them all a full charge, be sure to check for CLEAR
step 2 – place hand on muzzle, shoot your self in the hand with nothing but air, start with grandmas gun and work your way up to the SS.
step 3 – take pics for us too see
step 4 – document what happens, when you get back from the emergency room let us know if you think your badd assed felt with no washers to back them will hold up…Oh wait, they are now sandwiched tight 🙄
btw – you just need to be smarter than the shroud and material that your working on to get rid of that ping, it not that hard, I know an expert like you can come up with something that is sold at every hardware store in the country that will do it’s job and last forever 😉
also please let us know what these “various other rifles” are
GTBJ takes his with 2 sugars
BTW……Felt will work for a time and then when you are out in the field and your pellets start to cork screw open up your Talon and take them out.
Been there done that a couple of times. The compression wave is so strong coming through the frame it will blast the felt on one side and then bounce back and hit it on the other side. After a few hundred shots the felt will deform and jack your shots up.
And that was the point with their usage; that damned ping. When I played around with shrouds I always ended up with that ping. I tried using pipe insulation, and a variety of other mediums before I started using the felt washers. I have them sandwiched into my shroud very tight, and have no issues with them. Again, as was pointed out, I’m not using anything with the power that a Talon is capable of, but I wouldn’t be using a Talon at full power in my neighborhood anyways; no need to risk hurting anyone with an errant shot or ricochet. If I took it hunting or even to the range I can remove them anyways.
Thanks for the vote of confidence. 😆
I’ve used felt washers without issue. They’re about 1/8″ thick. OD of 1″ and ID of about .30″. Singe the fibers a bit around the ID and they won’t frey and protrude into the pellets path… if you can devise a method to hold them in place. I just sandwiched them between stiff flat ground springs.
That said, they don’t really work any better than regular ol’ washers. Some of the metallic sound is dissipated, but it’s negligible.
I’m not talking out my ass here, it has been done many times in the past with the same results, but you have fun with your bad self and let us know how it works for you.
just remember… these anit your grandmas red rider
Why do the guys with the high post counts never read. i.e. “Not to say you aren’t right, because I could see this happening if the washers were cheap…”
Friend, try decaf next time. I’m not about to waste time flamefesting with someone on a airgun board, but suffice to say I’ve tried this on various other rifles and the felt hasn’t frayed for me. Again, never on a Talon, but then again, don’t take umbrage to someone simply replying to your posting (and thanking you for your welcome as well). Now if you can’t get past this…
😆 😆 looks like your going to fit in well here!!
I’m not talking out my ass here, it has been done many times in the past with the same results, but you have fun with your bad self and let us know how it works for you.
just remember… these anit your grandmas red rider
Why do the guys with the high post counts never read. i.e. “Not to say you aren’t right, because I could see this happening if the washers were cheap…”
Friend, try decaf next time. I’m not about to waste time flamefesting with someone on a airgun board, but suffice to say I’ve tried this on various other rifles and the felt hasn’t frayed for me. Again, never on a Talon, but then again, don’t take umbrage to someone simply replying to your posting (and thanking you for your welcome as well). Now if you can’t get past this…
I’m sure you could get way with rose petals on alot of airgun moderators……
NOT ON THESE BADBOYS!!!!!! 😯 😯 😆
I now use a Blod, solid core moderator. Can’t blow shit off your shit if your shit ain’t got no shit in it to start with… 😆 😆 😉
PS. Welcome, by the way 😀 Make the mod’ outta the bits you’ve been shown or get one through one of the guys here.
Ya got that right! Blood’s moderator is going to last a lifetime! 😀
I have made some funny looking things that went on the end of my .22 bolt action rifles, comprised of pvc pipe duct tape and steel wool, with sub sonic ammo the steel wool did a really good job..would wrap the wool around a pencil and stuff it in the pvc. have any of you tried steel wool in a SS? thanks!
I’ve used ‘dedicated’ silencer baffle material, tough as hell it was…. Still stripped out after awhile… 😆
I’m sure you could get way with rose petals on alot of airgun moderators……
NOT ON THESE BADBOYS!!!!!! 😯 😯 😆
I now use a Blod, solid core moderator. Can’t blow shit off your shit if your shit ain’t got no shit in it to start with… 😆 😆 😉
PS. Welcome, by the way 😀 Make the mod’ outta the bits you’ve been shown or get one through one of the guys here.
Yep!
Now there is a way to make the felt work. Glue it onto a regular washer, then heat a nail or wood burning tool, soldering iron or what have you. Now burn the edges or the felt with it to seal the edges slightly larger than the hole in the washer.
A lot of trouble, and probably inviting trouble down the road.
With very Little gain to show for it.
Or ignore what is being said here and enjoy the clipping that will come soon enough.
Mike
FN’ new guy
I’m not talking out my ass here, it has been done many times in the past with the same results, but you have fun with your bad self and let us know how it works for you.
just remember… these anit your grandmas red rider
What am I missing?
What does this mean?
he thinks felt will hold up with the pressers in the frame of an SS 🙄
Fucking New Guy 😆
and what is FNG?
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all right dip shit, I can car less if you don’t have one yet besides that fact your giving advice on something you don’t even own, how fucking conceded must you be to think you know about something that you don’t have a clue about, or even own? have you even held one then let alone shot one?
maybe you should put it down on your x-mas list and if your a good boy this year mommy may just buy you one, be careful through high presser air is dangerous and must be handled with respect and care
what about your many “various other rifles”? come one now lets hear how bad you are with your “various other rifles”, you sure can tell allot about a chump by what he shoots, or are they all at grandmas house and when you are a good little grandson and give granny her foot massage she lets you play with one in the back yard?