9mm / 357 cal Cricket
We need some data I hear they are in the states now…
“Videos and Data” ASAP!!
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I live near Dennis Quakenbush famous for large game big bore airguns. We have a few choices for those now that deer and other large game are legal with airguns. Most are not silenced as sold but can be. They go up to maybe 1000 fpe max. Only a few shots per charge and most commonly long and heavy. Definitely not for plinking.
Silencers are far cheaper in Europe it seems.
They are indeed. Plain SAK is 35-40 euros, short and perfectly adequate making a rimfire at least as silent as 30 fpe air gun with good silencer. Ase Utra is 90 euros and one of the best rimfire silencers out there, I can only hear the semi auto action noise when using that in my .22lr pistol. I haven’t actually tried Jaki in a rimmie but on an airgun it was way too loud.
A quiet rimfire is still limited to around 120 joules due to ammo. If you want more quiet power it’s time to go big bore, be it powder burner or air gun. In big bore configuration air guns are much cheaper to shoot.
My Sako´s are loud if i shoot them un-suppressed and with HV ammo. With STD / Match , or best yet Subsonic HP – ammo and one of the silencers (i have 4-5 of them ranging from Reflex-silencers and CF housed ones to plain Jaki-silencers) attached it´s quieter than a STD .25 Cricket. The bullet impact is much louder though.
Silencers are far cheaper in Europe it seems.
We used 10/22s at our local range for teaching new shooters. They are just not that accurate stock. I have owned and sold two. I finally added a bull barrel and new trigger to the second one. Then i had to shoot expensive ammo to make it match my best airguns. It was still way too loud. Not really a viable alternative. Now Sir Villes Sakos are another story and extremely accurate but they are expensive as well and still loud. I swiched to a Marlin semiauto and they are more accurate at least than a 10/22. I have about 30 bricks or 22s stockpiled from when it was $10-12 a brick. Now it can cost 4-5 times that here. If i want small varmint power i shoot the 17 WSM rimfires at 3000 fps with a 20 gr ballistic tip. 3/4″ groups at 100 yards.
Legal silencers are expensive too after a $200 tax where i live but readily available. Figure $500-600 to silence.
That’s correct! Those pesky Yanks are finally paying more for .22 LR ammo than we do over here. Tjihii ..
I believe there is some shortage of .22lr ammo in US which is driving the prices up at the moment. 10/22 with silencer and trigger work is a very nice gun and bull barrel versions are even quite accurate, I know as I have one. However, it can’t touch the big bore power if you want to keep it quiet. For me it’s also much more expensive to shoot, if you cast your own bullets they are only few cents a piece. As a bonus you can collect them from your pellet trap and re-cast them.
Hey US Friends,
please tell me if I’m wrong on this….
In the States for the price of 1 High-end bullpup you can get 5 or 6 Rugger 10/22 semi-autos and ammunition is cheaper than dirt….
I don’t see this more than .22 cal and more than 40 ft/lbs airguns need….
This said I don’t know anything about airgun hunting and US legislation.
What I know is that the Ruger 10/22 is the ultimate fun tool and in a relatively small box you can put ammunition for years.
(O rings, hand-pumps, diver tanks, filling-stations, leaks, regulator settings, etc, etc, just forget about it…)
Furthermore this increasingly big bore airguns demand will only lead to stricter legislation….
ATB
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Absolutely, big bore -> big cookies :whistle: It won’t make your bum sore either…
Are you trying to lure me over to the Dark Side ?? :suprisedn:
Well then, you just need to find some more firearms owners who would be interested in having some good old fun with big bores and you are set to go. Once you have the competitions going it would be easy to draw in people who don’t have those firearms licenses.
My lazy butt already have a FAC for several Firearms so i’m not the problem.
The waiting time for first time FAC holder is 4 months , minimum , so people generally just skip it for Airguns and tune up their 10 J Pea Shooters instead.
Imagine one of those .40 cal Bazookas at 10 J. I can throw a stone in less arched trajectory.
For me, personally, havibg a FAC Airgun isn’t a concern since it is among my other FAC rifles but most guys never bother getting that ticket for their Airguns and settle for tuning their AG’s to full power anyway but you can’t enter a competition without FAC if the class you enter is for over 10 J.
That’s your excuse for not getting your lazy butt up and doing it. All you need is 3 more boneheads who will apply for a bigbore ticket. Then you make a set of silhouettes (make sure one of those boneheads have a welder and some metal working tools) and start having fun. Make a bit of publicity (200+ J airguns tend to draw some attention) and before you know you have a national league going on. SamYang 909 is relatively cheap gun to get started with (670$, most common gun in our competitions) and it will knock down those rams most of the time.
You are really tempting me to use my 200 fpe 9mm for pest control just to see what happens :5:
Even with the Matador 30 you need a stick to clean off what is left of a sparrow on a feeder. 😯
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I can adjust power on my Evanix down and get 14 shots from 116fpe to 136 fpe and back to 116fpe, that’s good enough for plinking or target shooting. If I had a bottle version I’d get closer to 30 shots at that power level. At 200 fpe I only get 5 shots but that’s enough for a row of 5 silhouettes. IMO the problem with 9mm cricket is the regulator, ditch that and power potential and shotcount increases greatly and they should still produce a decent power curve.